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Offline killingeve

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Statistical Chances
« on: February 17, 2012, 09:28:PM »
What are the statistical chances of 3 of 4 adoptive family members, ie no genetic component, having mental illness/personality disorder?

YEAR        FAMILY MEMBER      CONDITION                              EVIDENCE

1959        Adoptive Mother     Severe Depression                  Dr Ferguson's Witness Stat
                June                       

1982        Adopted Mother     Paranoid Psychosis                  "                           "
                June                       Based on Depression             

1983        Adopted Daughter Acute Psychosis/
                Sheila                      Paranoid Schizophrenia          "                            "

1985       Adopted Son          Psychopath
                Jeremy                   Mass Murderer                         Assessed by 27 psychologists in prison. None
                                                                                              have found any evidence of psychopathy or
                                                                                             any personality disorder

---         Adoptive Father         Normal ?                                 ---
             Neville
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Offline SUMMER

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Re: Statistical Chances
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 10:20:PM »

egap, this is a question I have often pondered myself.
I would say that it would be very, very, rare indeed.
As Jeremy and Sheila were, we are led to believe, not related by blood
to each other or the Bambers the odds against it seem very high to me!
What kind of environment would make this more likely to occur?
What type of family dynamics?
How much denial within a family? ???

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Re: Statistical Chances
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2012, 09:39:AM »
What are the statistical chances of 3 of 4 adoptive family members, ie no genetic component, having mental illness/personality disorder?

YEAR        FAMILY MEMBER      CONDITION                              EVIDENCE

1959        Adoptive Mother     Severe Depression                  Dr Ferguson's Witness Stat
                June                       

1982        Adopted Mother     Paranoid Psychosis                  "                           "
                June                       Based on Depression             

1983        Adopted Daughter Acute Psychosis/
                Sheila                      Paranoid Schizophrenia          "                            "

1985       Adopted Son          Psychopath
                Jeremy                   Mass Murderer                         Assessed by 27 psychologists in prison. None
                                                                                              have found any evidence of psychopathy or
                                                                                             any personality disorder

---         Adoptive Father         Normal ?                                 ---
             Neville

Are you trying to infer that Jeremy is less likely to have had any form of mental illness because his mother and sister did have?

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Re: Statistical Chances
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2012, 08:36:PM »

egap, the one common denominator appears to me to be Neville Ralph Bamber.
Yet, he is portrayed as a good, if rather ineffectual type of guy.
This puzzles me because of the way his family imploded that night.
Why, if it was June who was making Sheila, at least, so much worse, did he
not have June committed again?
Did he stand to lose out financially if a seperation had taken place between them?
Just how religious was Ralph Bamber?
If he was not as religiously obsessive as June, how did he put up with it-religious tracts all over
the house, etc, June making the twins pray while brushing their teeth, etc?
He must surely have seen the negative effect that June was having on his family.
Even Colin Caffell writes in his book that, in retrospect, he was so enraged with June that it made him feel violent.
Equally, he relates how on the night of the murders he was so at his wits end with Sheila that he wished her dead too.
He, again in retrospect writes that he felt Jeremy, had, in a way, done the deed for him.
(This was after Colin was convinced by the Police and the family that Jeremy had committed the murders.)
So how  on  earth did Ralph Bamber survive within that family atmosphere without doing anything about it?
I take it that Colin Caffell is a rational, normal man and even he was being deeply jangled up by the
family dynamics and the Religious mania of June and Sheila.
It's all a terribly complicated scene. ???
Summer

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Re: Statistical Chances
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 09:06:PM »

egap, I think that very little, apart from basic facts about
when Sheilla and Jeremy went to Boarding school, left home, etc,
is actually known about this family now.
The policy that the Bamber's had of preferring to keep family matters
"behind closed doors" is certainly one of the big obstacles!
If it should come to light that each one had kept a diary that might be of
use. (But what are the odds that Essex Police would have got rid of them by now?)
Jeremy, by his own account of the disagreement over the twins being placed into
foster care, on that last evening, which he said he overheard, as he was in the kitchen, the same room as Sheila and June and Ralph were,
at the time it was going on between his parents and Sheila, seemed to prefer to "back off"
and distance himself from  the family dynamics that evening - he chooses to go outside and
see if he can shoot some rabbits he thought he had seen.
So even Jeremy is unaware that things may take a tragic turn immanently, because he avoids
involvement.
Had he stayed and listened maybe he would have realized that Sheila was beginning to lose control completely.
The other relatives who claimed to be so close to dear Auntie June and Uncle Ralph, also appeared to
have virtually no insight into the degree of Sheila's mental illness and I think I have read on here that
their contact time with June and Ralph was fairly limited too.
The farm Secretary, who saw Ralph frequently, had no idea why he appeared to look so unwell in the last weeks, but felt very concerned about him.
However, he was very evasive of her questions regarding was something wrong.
She stated that he said that he had to be careful as it "would soon be Rabbit shooting season" and "one never knows".
I mean, how cryptic is that?
Summer ???