Author Topic: Alleged photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single gunshot wound to her neck.  (Read 27095 times)

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Offline Roch

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My opinion - It is not Sheila!

It is a mock up of Shelia used in a bit of sensationalist video on Youtube.

This picture only came to light on the forum after Andrea found it on Youtube.

And now it seems to be underpinning part of the case to release JB - come on!

If this is how one goes about creating a case to release someone from prison, they do not stand a chance.

Lets hope that JB's legal team and the CCRC are on the case - has anyone sent them a link to Youtube!  ::)

It's from Crimes that Shook Britain.  Their other mock-ups were modern looking and crystal clear.

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It's from Crimes that Shook Britain.  Their other mock-ups were modern looking and crystal clear.

I really don't believe the programme would use a real picture of a deceased person in such a graphic way; never mind the legal implications.

As for the other mock ups being modern looking and crystal clear, this grainy picture was imo used to create realism and sensationalism (something not uncommon to the forum!!).

And let's just say for debate that it was a real picture of Sheila, with all that blood over her face (shown on national TV  :o), and very different to the pictures of SC on the forum, do you not think this point would have been considered ages ago?

What I am considering here is that there are many authoritative statements and representations on the forum and yet it is just a chance thread by Andrea that has all of a sudden triggered these recent posts - it just doesn't stack!

Do you really believe JB's legal team has presented this CPR theory to the CCRC using a forum picture of SC against that of a picture shown some years ago national TV?


« Last Edit: February 17, 2012, 10:23:AM by Nick »

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I really don't believe the programme would use a real picture of a deceased person in such a graphic way; never mind the legal implications.

As for the other mock ups being modern looking and crystal clear, this grainy picture was imo used to create realism and sensationalism (not uncommon to the forum!!).

And let's just say for debate that it was a real picture of Sheila, with all that blood over her face (shown on national TV  :o), and very different to the pictures of SC on the forum, do you not think this point would have been considered ages ago?

What I am considering here is that there are many authoritative statements and representations on the forum and yet it is just a chance thread by Andrea that has all of a sudden triggered these recent posts - it just doesn't stack!

Do you really believe JB's legal team has presented this CPR theory to the CCRC using a forum picture of SC against that of a picture shown some years ago national TV?
All good reasonable points.

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Grainy image of Sheila is a genuine still from the crime scene video, and is more authentic and reliable than say the dodgy silencer evidence that was/has been used to great effect...

Close examination of the image reveals far too many exacted features for it to be simply a mock up, there are too many to list, but one such feature involves the line of the chain around Sheila's neck is exactly where it is/was in PC Birds dodgy crime scene photographs, and the way the frilled collar of her nightdress is shaped are but two basic clues to confirm that this is a genuine image of Sheila...

Lets also set the record straight, this matter has not only just kicked off because Andrea posted a link to a video, Jeremy has made it clear from a long time ago that raid team members who took part in a training exercise routinely abused the bodies of the victims whilst they were still in situ, and the manner with which CPR was applied to Sheila in this instance falls into that category...

CCRC have got access to at least one of the four crime scene video tapes, which they have [previously said that Jeremy will never get to see, now you can make up your own minds why the police and the CCRC do not want Jeremy to see what is recorded on that footage?
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 05:27:AM by mike tesko »
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For anyone to suggest that these videos of the crime scene do not/did not exist, and that images of Sheila are/were not contained within them, would be very misleading because clearly such video footage does, and did exist, and still to this day exists, so do not doubt the authenticity of the still image taken from one of the video tapes of the crime scene which was taken by police during the training exercise...

I'm not particularly bothered how a still image of Sheila's body showing all this additional blood got to be around Sheila's mouth, face and on her neck fell into the hands of TV Documentary makers, the fact is that it did, in the same way that other authentic images taken from crime scene pictures taken by the police were also part of the same documentary...

These pictures and images were included in the documentary to give it a sense of realism, and were in fact snippets of the real thing mixed in with mocked scene images, so do not be fooled by anyone suggesting that the so called grainy image of Sheila with all this additional blood around her mouth, face and neck is not a genuine one. Furthermore, the documentary makers managed to get hold of other genuine images taken by the police at the scene that morning, and one or more of these were also shown on the documentary in question, so it is without question or doubt that the TV Documentary makers did get access to authentic images from the police files or records, and it is not for me to have to explain how they managed that...
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 05:28:AM by mike tesko »
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My opinion - It is not Sheila!

It is a mock up of Shelia used in a bit of sensationalist video on Youtube.

This picture only came to light on the forum after Andrea found it on Youtube.

And now it seems to be underpinning part of the case to release JB - come on!

If this is how one goes about creating a case to release someone from prison, they do not stand a chance.

Lets hope that JB's legal team and the CCRC are on the case - has anyone sent them a link to Youtube!  ::)

A big declaration of fact that you pin your credibility on nick.
Upon what evidence is your claim of fact based as you do not supply any?

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A big declaration of fact that you pin your credibility on nick.
Upon what evidence is your claim of fact based as you do not supply any?

Smiffy, I declared that it is my opinion.

I have also stated why I think a real photo of sheila would not be used on national TV.

I have also stated that it only appears to have come to light following a recent thread from Andrea, when the alleged video photo has been around for some years, captured in a TV programme.

If you can get a statement from the producers of Crimes That Shook Britain confirming this to be a real picture of SC taken at the scene then I will capitulate - until then.............!

Please also see my subsequent post #76 on this thread, and Grahame's considered reply!

Smiffy - Do you really believe JB's legal team has presented this CPR theory to the CCRC using a forum picture of SC against that of a picture shown some years ago national TV?




« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 12:43:PM by Nick »

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I do not believe it's Sheila as we have been told JBs campaign team had an input into the documentary.  They have complained about us displaying graphic photos, surely they would not have complained about us if they allowed this graphic photo/video of Sheila. Mike surely you can just ask JB himself to clarify
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I do not believe it's Sheila as we have been told JBs campaign team had an input into the documentary.  They have complained about us displaying graphic photos, surely they would not have complained about us if they allowed this graphic photo/video of Sheila. Mike surely you can just ask JB himself to clarify

Jackie

Good logical post.

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I do not believe it's Sheila as we have been told JBs campaign team had an input into the documentary.  They have complained about us displaying graphic photos, surely they would not have complained about us if they allowed this graphic photo/video of Sheila. Mike surely you can just ask JB himself to clarify

Interesting post Jackie (I do mean that) - thanks!

Could I please have your opinion on my line - "I really don't believe the programme would use a real picture of a deceased person in such a graphic way; never mind the legal implications."


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I am in contact that makes documentarys for television I will ask him regarding the legal implications.
Mike do we keep having to post the SAME photo it is gruesome
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I am in contact that makes documentaries for television I will ask him regarding the legal implications.
Mike do we keep having to post the SAME photo it is gruesome

I agree. Their is a picture thread which forum members can be directed to if they need to see such photo's!

I know Mike has been adverse to removing gruesome photos' from threads previously; however, Mike, can you please reconsider?

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I am in contact that makes documentarys for television I will ask him regarding the legal implications.
Mike do we keep having to post the SAME photo it is gruesome

Jackie

Good on you.

Will you let us know what your contacts in the documantary field say re using such photographs / grainy images and legal implications etc?

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Yes I will Curious
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Yes I will Curious

Thanks Jackie

I will look forward to your update.