Alleged photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single gunshot wound to her neck.

[curiousessex]

Having been off the forum for a few days I have noticed there is a new thread entitled 'Photograph of Sheila on the bed'.

For now I will continue to refer to the 'alleged' photograph of Sheila on the bed as, in my opinion, the status of the 'alleged' photograph has not changed.

I have noticed in the similar thread there has been made available a grainy image of a female face with a lot of blood smearing with claims that such smearing of blood has been as a direct result of CPR having been given to Sheila. I also believe it has been stated the grainy image is a still image from a video of the scene on the morning of the tragedy.

What I do not understand is the following;

(1) If we accept there is, according to Mike, an 'alleged' photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single wound to the neck.

(2) There is a photgraph of Sheila on the floor with two gun shot wounds to the neck and apparently very deceased. This photograph supports evidence of Sheila's arm having been moved (the moving of Sheila's arm is admitted by the police photographer in order to get a picture of the blood smear on the nightdress that was apparent under Sheila's right arm). It is the misalignment of the blood stain on the page of the bible with the trail of blood on Sheila's upper right arm which supports the moving of Sheila's right arm as admitted by the police photographer.

(3) There is now a claim of a gainy still image of Sheila existing from a retained video of the scene which shows excessive smeared blood over the mouth and face area. The explanation for this is that Sheila had been given CPR.

If all this is true then it becomes an integral part of the claim that events (1) and (2) must have taken place before any CPR could have been administered to Sheila. There is no excessive blood smearing around Sheila's mouth and face area in (2).

Why would an unsuspecting police photographer, having just turned up to work, take all pictures of the scene and most particularly of Sheila whilst admitting to moving Sheila's arm in the process, ignore her last moments only for someone else to later administer CPR?  ?  ?

I am afraid this does not make any sense to me.

[mike tesko]

First of all, you have to decide who You are referring to when you refer to the photographer? Do you mean 'Ron' Cook, or Pc Bird? To help you along, it is alleged that 'Ron` moved Sheila's right hand/arm to enable the alleged photographer, PC Bird, to photograph the alleged bloodied fimngermarks on the front lower part of her nightdress. You also make the point about the misaligned blood on the edge of the pages of the bible, as some sort of alleged proof that either of these officers would go to the trouble of ignoring the need to apply CPR, and leave it for others to do later, as though what they say they did, and what the disclosed photographs appear to show, is a crime scene undisturbed until `Ron` and PC Bird came along and performed this godly deed? You forget that the photographer, PC Bird, photographed the rifle in different positions atop Sheila`s body around the time of the alleged innocent actions of `Ron` and the photographer, despite them testifying to the effect that neither of them had moved or touched the gun?

So...

The gun must have altered its position atop Sheila`s body all by itself, at about the same time that `Ron` and Bird allegedly only moved Sheila`s right hand/arm so the alleged bloodied fingermarks could be photographed on her nightdress?

Yet...

According to 'Ron' and PC Bird, they did not arrive at the scene until about 9:20am, which was at lest some 20 minutes or so after PS Adams said there had been no gun on the body when he viewed Sheila`s body in the bedroom at about 9 O'clock? Let's just get the facts right, just so we can be sure about what Adams says about it - he says that he was shown around the farmhouse by 'Monty' and that those were the only officers in the bedroom at that time, and. That he had no recollection of the gun being on the body? Now, what this must mean is that somebody must have put the rifle back onto Sheila`s body before the photographer photographed the rifle atop Sheila`s body at around 10 O`clock, since an hour earlier there had been no rifle on the body. Not only that but according to PS Adqms, the bible which you so eloquently mention as having a misaligned bloodstain resting against Sheila`s arm, was not in that position an hour or so earlier, since according to Adams that bible was some 15 to 18 inches away from Sheilas body in the region of her waist, so the picture you appear to have painted, does not suggest that Sheila`s body had not been disturbed until along came Batman and Robin, the deadly duo, to move Sheila's hand and take the crucial photograph of the mark on the nightdress?

Now...

According to PS Adams, `Monty` took him into the bedroom and showed him Sheila`s body minus the rifle at about 9 O`clock, so 'Ron' Cook and PC Bird (SOC) had no valid excuse for supposing or imagining that the body of Sheila, with rifle atop it, and bible resting against her arm, had been or remained undisturbed, since `Monty` had remained behind at the scene after the other firearms officers had left the scene at about 9am, and 'Monty` would have put `Ron` and PC Bird right on that score...
 

[mike tesko]

So called grainy image, was taken from video of crime scene, EP need to produce a declared negative strip to prove otherwise...

Which they cannot do...

[mike tesko]

What is known, albeit this is only what I have been told, is that there were only seconds between PC Bird taking photographs of Sheila on the bedroom floor showing two wounds on her neck, with bloodied fingermarks upon the upper entry wound beneath the chin, and video footage being taken of the training exercise where CPR was duly applied to Sheila, once rifle had been replaced at bedroom window. PC Bird left the bedroom once he had taken photo's of Sheila with the gun upon her, to photograph other parts of the house, including the one which he took from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs showing the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window which `Ron` later claimed to have placed there? But it was placed there whilst CPR was being practised during the training exercise... 

[mike tesko]

How did all the additional blood get to be around sheila`s mouth, face and neck in the interim period?

Did she just spit it out?

[curiousessex]

What is known, albeit this is only what I have been told, is that there were only seconds between PC Bird taking photographs of Sheila on the bedroom floor showing two wounds on her neck, with bloodied fingermarks upon the upper entry wound beneath the chin, and video footage being taken of the training exercise where CPR was duly applied to Sheila, once rifle had been replaced at bedroom window. PC Bird left the bedroom once he had taken photo's of Sheila with the gun upon her, to photograph other parts of the house, including the one which he took from the vantage point of the middle landing of the main stairs showing the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window which `Ron` later claimed to have placed there? But it was placed there whilst CPR was being practised during the training exercise...

So what you are saying is the following;

CPR was performed as a part of a training exercise and as such was performed on the deceased Sheila. CPR was not performed with the purpose of reviving the already deceased Sheila.

If so, whilst such actions, in my opinion, would be very wrong in terms of showing any kind of respect for Sheila etc, the smearing of blood around Sheila's mouth / face / neck wounds cannot therefore be interpreted as proof that Sheila was still alive when she was photographed with the gun laying upon her if there was only a time differential of only seconds between the two events i.e. images (2) and (3) as identified in my previous post.

[mike tesko]

How did all the additional blood get to be around sheila`s mouth, face and neck in the interim period?

Did she just spit it out?

Of course not, it was forced out of her mouth, nostrils and the entry wound under the chin by a process of compression when CPR was applied to Sheila's body during the training exercise...

[smiffy]

Any training exercise by police and any stupid CPR is significant as it trashes much of the forensics involving Sheila as being utterly unreliable and inadmissable. ie swabs...
contamination...persons cleaning things etc etc etc.

Thus such evidence in court was presented falsely and there has been serious deception of a criminal nature going on involving Essex Police.

[mike tesko]

So what you are saying is the following;

CPR was performed as a part of a training exercise and as such was performed on the deceased Sheila. CPR was not performed with the purpose of reviving the already deceased Sheila.

If so, whilst such actions, in my opinion, would be very wrong in terms of showing any kind of respect for Sheila etc, the smearing of blood around Sheila's mouth / face / neck wounds cannot therefore be interpreted as proof that Sheila was still alive when she was photographed with the gun laying upon her if there was only a time differential of only seconds between the two events i.e. images (2) and (3) as identified in my previous post.

I am prepared to concede that when CPR was being applied to Sheila as part of a training exercise, that she could have been deceased, rather than still alive, but I will not concede the point that she had been shot under the chin very recently to CPR being applied. The video footage taken at the crime scene which filmed CPR being applied to Sheila so late in the day was admissible evidence which ought really to have been available to the jury, particularly since the actual time of Sheila`s death was unknown, officially...

The jury should have seen the video footage of CPR being applied, and it should have been left to the jury to decide whether she was deceased beyond recovery, or still barely alive?

[Roch]

So called grainy image, was taken from video of crime scene, EP need to produce a declared negative strip to prove otherwise...

Which they cannot do...

Very interesting point, if true.

[mike tesko]

Training exercise also involved use of .22 air rifle and silencer, which was used to prod areas on the victims bodies whilst officers tried to reconstruct how they were shot and this could help to explain the presence of blood on one of the silencers...

[curiousessex]

So what you are saying is the following;

CPR was performed as a part of a training exercise and as such was performed on the deceased Sheila. CPR was not performed with the purpose of reviving the already deceased Sheila.

If so, whilst such actions, in my opinion, would be very wrong in terms of showing any kind of respect for Sheila etc, the smearing of blood around Sheila's mouth / face / neck wounds cannot therefore be interpreted as proof that Sheila was still alive when she was photographed with the gun laying upon her if there was only a time differential of only seconds between the two events i.e. images (2) and (3) as identified in my previous post.

IF CPR was conducted on a deceased Sheila only seconds after photographs of Sheila were taken where a gun was laying upon her torso, combined with the alleged photograph of Sheila on the bed with a single gunshot wound to her neck then I would say publish the 'alleged' photograph and the CCRC will have no choice but to make a referral in my opinion.

Do you have any other grainy images from the 'alleged' video footage of the scene which clearly shows that it is Sheila in the video footage of the scene?

The reason I ask is that it is not evidently clear, in my opinion, that the image of the person with blood smears around the face and mouth is actually Sheila.

[boheme]

I was wondering the same thing, the nightdress does not look the same to me..... Although the nostrills are very similar

[Roch]

I was wondering the same thing, the nightdress does not look the same to me..... Although the nostrills are very similar

Another forum member pm'd me to suggest it might not be Sheila.  They questioned the nightie.  I thought the nostrils were different.

[Newbury1]

Another forum member pm'd me to suggest it might not be Sheila.  They questioned the nightie.  I thought the nostrils were different.

My opinion - It is not Sheila!

It is a mock up of Shelia used in a bit of sensationalist video on Youtube.

This picture only came to light on the forum after Andrea found it on Youtube.

And now it seems to be underpinning part of the case to release JB - come on!

If this is how one goes about creating a case to release someone from prison, they do not stand a chance.

Lets hope that JB's legal team and the CCRC are on the case - has anyone sent them a link to Youtube!