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« Last Edit: February 06, 2012, 12:06:AM by rochford »

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2012, 11:46:PM »
http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/04/jeremy-bamber-murders-ballistics-challenge?cat=uk&type=article

John Manlove: Guardian article states experts were working for him.  Unless there is more than one John Manlove who is a forensic scientist, it appears he is a 'time of death' expert.

http://www.theforensicgroup.co.nz/tag/john-manlove/

http://manloveforensics.co.uk/staff-and-affiliates

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15839094
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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2012, 12:24:AM »
I get the feeling that Simon McKay has sought out some serious scientific talent for these latest submissions?

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2012, 09:55:PM »
Rochy
I have really enjoyed reading this thread.
When someone is an expert it's nice to follow their journey.
Caruso has sometimes worked 146 hours in a week, that's dedication.

Great stuff
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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2012, 10:11:PM »
Rochy
I have really enjoyed reading this thread.
When someone is an expert it's nice to follow their journey.
Caruso has sometimes worked 146 hours in a week, that's dedication.

Great stuff

Thanks Jack.  My only real worry is that the CCRC will instruct the likes of Professor Lamberton and Dr. Invictus to mount a challenge via their own research.  Obviously their expertise is world renowned and it could get a bit tense if that happens.   

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2012, 01:06:AM »
Thanks Jack.  My only real worry is that the CCRC will instruct the likes of Professor Lamberton and Dr. Invictus to mount a challenge via their own research.  Obviously their expertise is world renowned and it could get a bit tense if that happens.
I simply have no faith in this so called CCRC. They wouldn't know the right thing to do if it were staring them in the face. I will be very very surprised if they do refer.

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2012, 10:57:AM »
Thanks Jack.  My only real worry is that the CCRC will instruct the likes of Professor Lamberton and Dr. Invictus to mount a challenge via their own research.  Obviously their expertise is world renowned and it could get a bit tense if that happens.

Thanks rochford. That was some good reading. However, my fear is the same as yours. When I read the Guardian article I was not as optimistic about JB's chances of referral as I had hoped I would be. Peter Sutherst "photographic expert" immediately sprang to mind and the ease with which the CCRC discounted his evidence.

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2012, 11:00:AM »
Thanks rochford. That was some good reading. However, my fear is the same as yours. When I read the Guardian article I was not as optimistic about JB's chances of referral as I had hoped I would be. Peter Sutherst "photographic expert" immediately sprang to mind and the ease with which the CCRC discounted his evidence.

The latest evidence is far stronger than that of Peter Sutherst.  It will be difficult for the CCRC to challenge it.

 

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2012, 11:05:AM »
Thanks rochford. That was some good reading. However, my fear is the same as yours. When I read the Guardian article I was not as optimistic about JB's chances of referral as I had hoped I would be. Peter Sutherst "photographic expert" immediately sprang to mind and the ease with which the CCRC discounted his evidence.

However, if the scientific evidence proving the non use of a silencer is strong, and that photo of SC on the bed has been handed over to the CCRC (Ewen Smith - albeit a strange choice of recipient) by Z, and JB's legal team has a copy of the information handed over by Z (I'm sceptical on this!), then I believe their has to be a referral!



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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2012, 11:12:AM »
The latest evidence is far stronger than that of Peter Sutherst.  It will be difficult for the CCRC to challenge it.
Do you believe they will try and challenge it , if so how , if no one in this country as similar expertise ?

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2012, 11:18:AM »
Do you believe they will try and challenge it , if so how , if no one in this country has similar expertise ?

The CCRC will simply get an expert from China  :(

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Re: Experts involved Bamber/McKay submissions
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2012, 11:23:AM »

However, if the scientific evidence proving the non use of a silencer is strong, and that photo of SC on the bed has been handed over to the CCRC (Ewen Smith - albeit a strange choice of recipient) by Z, and JB's legal team has a copy of the information handed over by Z (I'm sceptical on this!), then I believe their has to be a referral!

I agree that the photo of SC on the bed would mean the CCRC would HAVE to make a referral. That would be new evidence not available at the original trial or any previous appeals.