you should all know this?

[bob]

A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.

I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?

[Roch]

A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.

I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?

bob,

Mike wouldn't need to take a screenshot.  A screenshot can only refer to a photograph that exists somewhere else in another thread on the forum, that has been snapped by a poster.  It's an image of a photograph (of a photograph) and so it would have been uploaded to the forum by Mike him self previously (?)

That's my take on it anyway.   

[Roch]

This has just made me think of the scratch on the aga surround. I thought that the Bambers didn't have any contact with the rest of the family since the last Christmas. Or at most they didn't visit them much. What on earth made them notice the scratch on the aga? It could have been made at any time before that night? Also who notices those things unless they are looking for such things? I don't buy that. Look at the state of the paint and decor of the house. I'm sure it was covered with scratches? It was a working farmhouse.

Very interesting post that.  Had never thought of it in that way.

[smiffy]

screenshot was taken off an online video...paused and snapped etc .of someone checking a photo on their comp...
okies..hence the quality.

[smiffy]

The claimed scratch on the silencer mainly reported by DB but also other "relatives".
DB in statements ..gives more info...as well about the deep scratch he reports.
He says it was about 1 inch long and was situated about half way along the body of the silencer.

[grahameb]

A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.

I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?

Just for everybody's information. Smiffy is not Mike. Different name, different IP address, Different part of the country. Unless of course Mike is really captain Kirk from Star trek and can travel at the speed of light?

[DCrump]

Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?

Mike, it's going to come down to what is meant by 'side'.  Many will interpret it as far side of the bed ,while many will no doubt interpret it as far side of the bed (i.e. floor).   

Many will interpret there being no mention of 'floor' as meaning she's on the bed.  Others will simply say that it was rough notes recording by police under pressure and therefore the fact that 'floor' is not mentioned is no more than (yet) another 'mistake'.

I don't see it as a mistake at all. He was describing where the bodies were in the room, and to me "on the far side of the bed" automatically means on the floor. I'm sure that's what I would have written too. If I was describing seeing her on the bed I would have said "on the bed, towards the far side" or similar. As you say, it's a good example of the way people interpret things differently.

[mertol22]

This has just made me think of the scratch on the aga surround. I thought that the Bambers didn't have any contact with the rest of the family since the last Christmas. Or at most they didn't visit them much. What on earth made them notice the scratch on the aga? It could have been made at any time before that night? Also who notices those things unless they are looking for such things? I don't buy that. Look at the state of the paint and decor of the house. I'm sure it was covered with scratches? It was a working farmhouse.

It could have been made.

[smiffy]

Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?

Mike, it's going to come down to what is meant by 'side'.  Many will interpret it as far side of the bed ,while many will no doubt interpret it as far side of the bed (i.e. floor).   

Many will interpret there being no mention of 'floor' as meaning she's on the bed.  Others will simply say that it was rough notes recording by police under pressure and therefore the fact that 'floor' is not mentioned is no more than (yet) another 'mistake'.

I don't see it as a mistake at all. He was describing where the bodies were in the room, and to me "on the far side of the bed" automatically means on the floor. I'm sure that's what I would have written too. If I was describing seeing her on the bed I would have said "on the bed, towards the far side" or similar. As you say, it's a good example of the way people interpret things differently.

A clever bit of police speak then ...by phrasing as he did then Jones was able to cover both scenarios the police photographed...the on the bed version and the on the floor version without having to later edit the pocket book....

[Hartley]

A screenshot I took some while back...so not ideal...
another angle of part of Sheila in the bedroom.
Again it is clear that there is no slipper or bullet case to the left of the bible.

I don't like to post any more, so apologies to all, but why hasn't anybody else picked up on the fact that Mike posted this as "Smiffy"?

Just for everybody's information. Smiffy is not Mike. Different name, different IP address, Different part of the country. Unless of course Mike is really captain Kirk from Star trek and can travel at the speed of light?

Beam me up Smiffy?

I must admit I'm not convinced, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Of course I'm sure it probably means that if I'm wrong on that, then my interpretation of the case is wrong, the world is a flat disc supported on the backs of elephants and the moon landings were filmed in Arizona. Plus Elvis is alive and well and living in Tollesbury. 

[DCrump]

Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?

Mike, it's going to come down to what is meant by 'side'.  Many will interpret it as far side of the bed ,while many will no doubt interpret it as far side of the bed (i.e. floor).   

Many will interpret there being no mention of 'floor' as meaning she's on the bed.  Others will simply say that it was rough notes recording by police under pressure and therefore the fact that 'floor' is not mentioned is no more than (yet) another 'mistake'.

I don't see it as a mistake at all. He was describing where the bodies were in the room, and to me "on the far side of the bed" automatically means on the floor. I'm sure that's what I would have written too. If I was describing seeing her on the bed I would have said "on the bed, towards the far side" or similar. As you say, it's a good example of the way people interpret things differently.

A clever bit of police speak then ...by phrasing as he did then Jones was able to cover both scenarios the police photographed...the on the bed version and the on the floor version without having to later edit the pocket book....

I don't think there's anything clever about it, he used the same words many people would. The fact that the words used could be ambiguous most likely didn't occur to him, afterall this is just a note book, an aid to his memory, he knew what he had seen.

[Roch]

Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?

Mike, it's going to come down to what is meant by 'side'.  Many will interpret it as far side of the bed ,while many will no doubt interpret it as far side of the bed (i.e. floor).   

Many will interpret there being no mention of 'floor' as meaning she's on the bed.  Others will simply say that it was rough notes recording by police under pressure and therefore the fact that 'floor' is not mentioned is no more than (yet) another 'mistake'.

I don't see it as a mistake at all. He was describing where the bodies were in the room, and to me "on the far side of the bed" automatically means on the floor. I'm sure that's what I would have written too. If I was describing seeing her on the bed I would have said "on the bed, towards the far side" or similar. As you say, it's a good example of the way people interpret things differently.

A clever bit of police speak then ...by phrasing as he did then Jones was able to cover both scenarios the police photographed...the on the bed version and the on the floor version without having to later edit the pocket book....

I don't think there's anything clever about it, he used the same words many people would. The fact that the words used could be ambiguous most likely didn't occur to him, afterall this is just a note book, an aid to his memory, he knew what he had seen.

There is ambiguity in the phrase.  You would like to think that 'floor' would be mentioned and the fact that's it not is a bit lazy.  Though I take your point when you say 'he knew what he'd seen'.  And you're right, they're simply notes.  I wonder if this ambiguity could have led to the situation where Clark / AE mention the bed?

[DCrump]

Why would DCI Jones, and PI Miller, both independently of each other, record for the fact that Shila;s body was found on the far side of the bed, if her body was on the floor at that stage?

Mike, it's going to come down to what is meant by 'side'.  Many will interpret it as far side of the bed ,while many will no doubt interpret it as far side of the bed (i.e. floor).   

Many will interpret there being no mention of 'floor' as meaning she's on the bed.  Others will simply say that it was rough notes recording by police under pressure and therefore the fact that 'floor' is not mentioned is no more than (yet) another 'mistake'.

I don't see it as a mistake at all. He was describing where the bodies were in the room, and to me "on the far side of the bed" automatically means on the floor. I'm sure that's what I would have written too. If I was describing seeing her on the bed I would have said "on the bed, towards the far side" or similar. As you say, it's a good example of the way people interpret things differently.

A clever bit of police speak then ...by phrasing as he did then Jones was able to cover both scenarios the police photographed...the on the bed version and the on the floor version without having to later edit the pocket book....

I don't think there's anything clever about it, he used the same words many people would. The fact that the words used could be ambiguous most likely didn't occur to him, afterall this is just a note book, an aid to his memory, he knew what he had seen.

There is ambiguity in the phrase.  You would like to think that 'floor' would be mentioned and the fact that's it not is a bit lazy.  Though I take your point when you say 'he knew what he'd seen'.  And you're right, they're simply notes.  I wonder if this ambiguity could have led to the situation where Clark / AE mention the bed?

Yes, thinking about it that's a possibility.

[smiffy]

or how about Jones saying "the far side of the room" instead of "the far side of the bed"...
trust me...they know exactly what they are writing!..it becomes a habit for them.

[DCrump]

or how about Jones saying "the far side of the room" instead of "the far side of the bed"...
trust me...they know exactly what they are writing!..it becomes a habit for them.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is Taff Jones' pocket book, isn't he the one who believed that this was 4 murders and a suicide? If so, are you saying that he of all people wrote what he did deliberately to make it possible for plod to play musical beds with Sheila's body?