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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1440 on: November 27, 2011, 10:50:PM »
Two of the four bibles which were known to be kept and in use at WHF were seized by police, (1) Blue covered Bible, (2) Black covered bible...

Two exhibit references were given to a bible:-

(1) DRH/44
(2) DRH/33

Police have not yet released any information about the black covered bible, nor any photographs, but exhibit reference DRH/33 was later given to hand swabs, or because hand swabs were rejected when sent to lab' on 9th August 1985, under lab' item 17 (DRH/33), this was given to the black covered bible, afterwards, only to be switched back to the hand swabs, once they were resubmitted weeks later...

What do we know about the black bible?

I have some information, which i will be posting in due course, but what I can reveal is that this black covered bible, was June Bambers personal one, and when PS Adams was spoken to by COLP in 1991, he makes mention of a discussion he had with other firearms officers who entered the bedroom, and the fact that they believed that Sheila and June had been sat up reading bibles, now this suggests that there were in fact two bibles found inside the bedroom, (1) the blue covered bible, and (2) the black covered bible. Essex police told Jeremy's solicitor that no photographs of the bible existed, and that it had in fact been destroyed - so it looks to me like police did not want Jeremy or anyone representing him to know about any significance this black covered bible had in the proceedings?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1441 on: November 27, 2011, 10:51:PM »
What does T/ST signify on the left of those action reports?

T/ST - "take statement"...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1442 on: November 27, 2011, 10:55:PM »
Jeremy's custody record, relating to his first arrest, and subsequent release on bail, between 8th September 1985, and 13th September 1985:-
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1443 on: November 27, 2011, 11:01:PM »
Viewing of deceased bodies by Julie Mugford, on 8th August 1985:-
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1444 on: November 27, 2011, 11:18:PM »
Damning Evidence of a Conspirator, inserts that were designed to merge the two different silencers into one, handwritten notes of PI "Bob" Miller...

Shows how silencers exhibit references were systematically altered, from:-

(1) SBJ/1
(2) DB/1
(3) DRB/1
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1445 on: November 27, 2011, 11:30:PM »
By the time of the experts (Elliot) visit to the kitchen at whf, on 1st October 1985, there were several scratch marks on different areas of the aga surround, yet Elliot only reports seeing the one underneath the mantelpiece - very odd...

Lets look at some photographs first of all, followed by Elliots statement relating to this visit to the scene on 1st October 1985:-
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1446 on: November 28, 2011, 05:37:AM »
Two of the four bibles which were known to be kept and in use at WHF were seized by police, (1) Blue covered Bible, (2) Black covered bible...

Two exhibit references were given to a bible:-

(1) DRH/44
(2) DRH/33

Police have not yet released any information about the black covered bible, nor any photographs, but exhibit reference DRH/33 was later given to hand swabs, or because hand swabs were rejected when sent to lab' on 9th August 1985, under lab' item 17 (DRH/33), this was given to the black covered bible, afterwards, only to be switched back to the hand swabs, once they were resubmitted weeks later...

What do we know about the black bible?

I have some information, which i will be posting in due course, but what I can reveal is that this black covered bible, was June Bambers personal one, and when PS Adams was spoken to by COLP in 1991, he makes mention of a discussion he had with other firearms officers who entered the bedroom, and the fact that they believed that Sheila and June had been sat up reading bibles, now this suggests that there were in fact two bibles found inside the bedroom, (1) the blue covered bible, and (2) the black covered bible. Essex police told Jeremy's solicitor that no photographs of the bible existed, and that it had in fact been destroyed - so it looks to me like police did not want Jeremy or anyone representing him to know about any significance this black covered bible had in the proceedings?

I know there exists a photocopy of a bloodied hand print which is duplicated on the opposite page as a result opf the bible being open when the bloodied print was made, but closed soon afterwards, so that it became duplicated on the opposite palge. This was found to be on the pages of june Bambers black bible, not the blue covered bible which was photographed next to Sheila's body on the bedroom floor...

Black bible was apparently found on bed along with bodies of June and Sheila...

Early rumours which circulated suggested that this (black) bible had been found on Sheila`s chest but I have received information that it was found on the bed...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1447 on: November 28, 2011, 06:52:AM »
The unsavoury practice of a persons wItness statement being (a) made by, (b) edited by, (c) para phrased by , and or (d) re-written, by another, in the absence of a witness, should cease and be discouraged immediately, and in instances where the case against a defendant relied upon such material (retrospectively), and where convictions have been secured because of it, those convictions should all be set aside, on the basis that the convictions are unsafe, and that the Criminal justice system has been brought into disrepute, by the introduction and reliance
 Upon such evidence...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1448 on: November 28, 2011, 07:16:PM »
The unsavoury practice of a persons wItness statement being (a) made by, (b) edited by, (c) para phrased by , and or (d) re-written, by another, in the absence of a witness, should cease and be discouraged immediately, and in instances where the case against a defendant relied upon such material (retrospectively), and where convictions have been secured because of it, those convictions should all be set aside, on the basis that the convictions are unsafe, and that the Criminal justice system has been brought into disrepute, by the introduction and reliance
 Upon such evidence...

Evidence from witnesses should be tape recorded, in the same way suspects are interviewed under caution, where every question and every response is properly documented, and where the police cannot paraphrase what a witness says, or has said...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1449 on: November 28, 2011, 08:07:PM »
The unsavoury practice of a persons wItness statement being (a) made by, (b) edited by, (c) para phrased by , and or (d) re-written, by another, in the absence of a witness, should cease and be discouraged immediately, and in instances where the case against a defendant relied upon such material (retrospectively), and where convictions have been secured because of it, those convictions should all be set aside, on the basis that the convictions are unsafe, and that the Criminal justice system has been brought into disrepute, by the introduction and reliance
 Upon such evidence...

Evidence from witnesses should be tape recorded, in the same way suspects are interviewed under caution, where every question and every response is properly documented, and where the police cannot paraphrase what a witness says, or has said...

There is too much of this "moulding of the evidence" by the police, and the CPS...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1450 on: November 28, 2011, 09:18:PM »
I would now like to draw everyone's attention, to the number of message reports, made in connection with this incident (98)...

For some reason, there has been a re-numbering of these messages, which suggests some sort of a cover up:-
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1451 on: November 29, 2011, 06:08:AM »
So...

Where in the sequence of events (1 to 98) does this fit in?

And where are all the other missing message logs?
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1452 on: November 29, 2011, 10:12:AM »
Somebody has been altering the handwritten numbers of the pages...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1453 on: November 29, 2011, 11:55:AM »

Evidence has emerged, to indicate that there was a degree of unrest amongst the Bamber household on the evening leading up to the shootings....
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #1454 on: November 29, 2011, 03:28:PM »

Evidence has emerged, to indicate that there was a degree of unrest amongst the Bamber household on the evening leading up to the shootings....

An eye witness account describes June Bamber as being upset and when asked why, she retorted that the inquirer had no idea what June was having to put up with, or deal with?

Similarly, when Barbara Wilson. Spoke to Ralph Bamber at about 9.30pm, on evening before shootings, she recollected how sharp and dismissive he had been, as though he had got a lot on his mind at that time...

When you couple the mood of the parents at such a crucial time, and you couple this with the fact that June did not attend her regular bible class that evening, and that Jeremy has told of a family discussion where the welfare of the kids was mentioned, along with debate about getting some help for Sheila from `Foster carers`, it provides something of an insight into the state of play, and the conditioning of minds, leading up to the shootings...

Jeremy could not have known, there existed independent evidence, to show the troubled nature of the parents minset, hours before, and leading up to the shootings?
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