you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

Am I reading 1606 properly?  Is the scientist referring to such a transfer as a process occurring during the shootings?

Which silencer is the signed one, being referred to?

[jackiepreece]

Nobody could have done more than you

Incredible hard work especially when you have been poorly

[Roch]

Am I reading 1606 properly?  Is the scientist referring to such a transfer as a process occurring during the shootings?

Which silencer is the signed one, being referred to?

"Method by which blood was transfered to inside of signed moderator"

Method?  If the scientist was referring to a naturally occurring process, would they use the term 'method' to describe that process?

[mike tesko]

Am I reading 1606 properly?  Is the scientist referring to such a transfer as a process occurring during the shootings?

Which silencer is the "signed" one, being referred to?

Which one would be the "unsigned silencer"?

[mike tesko]

Am I reading 1606 properly?  Is the scientist referring to such a transfer as a process occurring during the shootings?

Which silencer is the signed one, being referred to?

"Method by which blood was transfered to inside of signed moderator"

Method?  If the scientist was referring to a naturally occurring process, would they use the term 'method' to describe that process?

It all sounds dodgy to me...

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

(8) Police intended to carry out tests on the telephones at whf

Action 671 - Tests to be carried out on telephones at WHF

(9) Why was original confession statement made in name of Julie Mugford, written in third person?

(10) Officers report, relating to shooting incident in the kitchen, has still not yet been disclosed?

Action 1600 - T/ST Julie Mugford. (1) Why is the confession in the third person? (2) Why did she not tell police for a month? Statement obtained. To copy

Action 1612 - Officers report re shooting in kitchen

(11) Pair of socks found on sea wall of no evidential value?

Action 1021 - socks re C wall. No value

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

(8) Police intended to carry out tests on the telephones at whf

Action 671 - Tests to be carried out on telephones at WHF

(9) Why was original confession statement made in name of Julie Mugford, written in third person?

(10) Officers report, relating to shooting incident in the kitchen, has still not yet been disclosed?

Action 1600 - T/ST Julie Mugford. (1) Why is the confession in the third person? (2) Why did she not tell police for a month? Statement obtained. To copy

Action 1612 - Officers report re shooting in kitchen

(11) Pair of socks found on sea wall of no evidential value?

Action 1021 - socks re C wall. No value

(12) Bunting refuses to name persons to police, who handed guns that belonged at WHF?

Action 1477 - Bunting refuses to give details of person who deposited guns with him

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

(8) Police intended to carry out tests on the telephones at whf

Action 671 - Tests to be carried out on telephones at WHF

(9) Why was original confession statement made in name of Julie Mugford, written in third person?

(10) Officers report, relating to shooting incident in the kitchen, has still not yet been disclosed?

Action 1600 - T/ST Julie Mugford. (1) Why is the confession in the third person? (2) Why did she not tell police for a month? Statement obtained. To copy

Action 1612 - Officers report re shooting in kitchen

(11) Pair of socks found on sea wall of no evidential value?

Action 1021 - socks re C wall. No value

(12) Bunting refuses to name persons to police, who handed guns that belonged at WHF?

Action 1477 - Bunting refuses to give details of person who deposited guns with him

(13) Discrepancies about telephones at whf?
(14) Fostering issues?

Action 1416 - Resolve discrepancies between Jean Boutell and Barbara Wilson re telephones at WHF. Allocated to DS Jones. To copy

Action 1432 - Stephen Lister and Susan Lister. To copy re fostering

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

(8) Police intended to carry out tests on the telephones at whf

Action 671 - Tests to be carried out on telephones at WHF

(9) Why was original confession statement made in name of Julie Mugford, written in third person?

(10) Officers report, relating to shooting incident in the kitchen, has still not yet been disclosed?

Action 1600 - T/ST Julie Mugford. (1) Why is the confession in the third person? (2) Why did she not tell police for a month? Statement obtained. To copy

Action 1612 - Officers report re shooting in kitchen

(11) Pair of socks found on sea wall of no evidential value?

Action 1021 - socks re C wall. No value

(12) Bunting refuses to name persons to police, who handed guns that belonged at WHF?

Action 1477 - Bunting refuses to give details of person who deposited guns with him

(13) Discrepancies about telephones at whf?
(14) Fostering issues?

Action 1416 - Resolve discrepancies between Jean Boutell and Barbara Wilson re telephones at WHF. Allocated to DS Jones. To copy

Action 1432 - Stephen Lister and Susan Lister. To copy re fostering

(15) family conference?
(16) Reason why June Bamber did not attend bible class, evening before shootings?

Action 1212 - T/ST Betty Howie. V. imp. information to Howie via Pamela Boutflour re family conference re Sheila on night before deaths. To copy. To trace.

Action 1217 - Enq re June Bambers failure to attend bible reading class

[mike tesko]

Statement from DC Hammersley, dated, 16th May 1986, about bloodstained wallpaper and carpets, that he took from the scene on Friday, 9th August 1985:-

[mike tesko]

Statement from pathologist about four fatal wounds inflicted to Ralph Bambers head:-

[Roch]

'Very important info to Howie via Pamela Boutflour re family conference re Sheila on night before deaths'

Wonder what that means.  I still cant get over my shock re 1606. 

[mike tesko]

Two of the four bibles which were known to be kept and in use at WHF were seized by police, (1) Blue covered Bible, (2) Black covered bible...

Two exhibit references were given to a bible:-

(1) DRH/44
(2) DRH/33

Police have not yet released any information about the black covered bible, nor any photographs, but exhibit reference DRH/33 was later given to hand swabs, or because hand swabs were rejected when sent to lab' on 9th August 1985, under lab' item 17 (DRH/33), this was given to the black covered bible, afterwards, only to be switched back to the hand swabs, once they were resubmitted weeks later...

[Roch]

Two of the four bibles which were known to be kept and in use at WHF were seized by police, (1) Blue covered Bible, (2) Black covered bible...

Two exhibit references were given to a bible:-

(1) DRH/44
(2) DRH/33

Police have not yet released any information about the black covered bible, nor any photographs, but exhibit reference DRH/33 was later given to hand swabs, or because hand swabs were rejected when sent to lab' on 9th August 1985, under lab' item 17 (DRH/33), this was given to the black covered bible, afterwards, only to be switched back to the hand swabs, once they were resubmitted weeks later...

What do we know about the black bible?

[Roch]

What does T/ST signify on the left of those action reports?