you should all know this?

[mike tesko]

In many of the cases, I have personal knowledge of, relating to convictions, where at the end of the day, a defendant was responsible for the commissioning of such a crime, (whatever that crime was/is) but where police had falsified the evidence, does it make it right, that police should be allowed to falsify such evidence, for the purpose of achieving a conviction?

"I think not"...

But...

"others may take a different view"...

I agree with you Mike.  So called "noble cause corruption" is dangerous because it is based upon the opinions of the police about an individual and it denies the accused a fair trial.  The police are not objective and should never take it upon themselves to falsify evidence where they do not believe they have sufficient legitimate evidence to prosecute.  I have seen this happen in many cases where the police have been convinced that a defendant  committed a specific crime and have beefed up the case with false evidence to secure the conviction.  That is bad enough, but even worse is the case where the police do not even believe the defendant has committed the offence with which he is charged, but fabricate evidence because the defendant is regarded as a "target criminal", usually based upon information provided by a paid police informant, and the defendant is "about due" to be convicted.  From what I have read of your own case Mike it is clear that you were a victim of this type of police corruption.  I do not use the words "noble cause" in describing it, corruption is what it is and it is disgraceful and unacceptable whenever it occurs.  I cannot stand bent police.

There is a part of me, that says that if a person did commit the crime alleged, it does not matter if the police falsified the evidence, to get him/her convicted of the offences for which they end up becoming convicted of, but at the the end of the day, I am utterly opposed to, any reliance upon falsifisd evidence, whether or not, it amounts to so called "noble cause corruption"...

What matters to me...

is whether or not "a defendant, any defendant, receives a just, and a fair trial"...

Amen...

When a defendant receives such a fair trial, he/she can have no complaint, and must accept the reality and lawfullness, of such a coviction ...

(1) http://news..com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19890829&id=fDNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RVkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1566,4680623

(2) http://news..com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19890824&id=gBI1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=waULAAAAIBAJ&pg=6860,3270418

(3) http://news..com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19890830&id=hRI1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=waULAAAAIBAJ&pg=6539,5101124

(4) https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=834518

I was on the very same wing (B wing, HMP Full Sutton), as "CAPTAIN", who was convicted of being the courier rider, who delivered the parcel bomb, that blew off Eileen Caultons, hand...

I had an opportunity to speak to him, over a long period of time, about the offences for which he was/had been convicted, and I managed to provide him with reasonable grounds for getting his conviction, quashed on appeal...

An appeal which proved to be successful...

Successful because. jury returned a "Not Guilty" verdict, on count 1, (that he conspired to murder Eileen Caulton), but that he was convicted on count 2, that he attempted to murder her...

Courier admitted to me, that he delivered the parcel (bomb) that blew Eileen Caultons hand off, but denied being put up to do it by Terry THORNTON, in the knowledge that it was a parcel bomb designed to cause or inflict catastrophic damage to the recipient...

[mike tesko]

In many of the cases, I have personal knowledge of, relating to convictions, where at the end of the day, a defendant was responsible for the commissioning of such a crime, (whatever that crime was/is) but where police had falsified the evidence, does it make it right, that police should be allowed to falsify such evidence, for the purpose of achieving a conviction?

"I think not"...

But...

"others may take a different view"...

I agree with you Mike.  So called "noble cause corruption" is dangerous because it is based upon the opinions of the police about an individual and it denies the accused a fair trial.  The police are not objective and should never take it upon themselves to falsify evidence where they do not believe they have sufficient legitimate evidence to prosecute.  I have seen this happen in many cases where the police have been convinced that a defendant  committed a specific crime and have beefed up the case with false evidence to secure the conviction.  That is bad enough, but even worse is the case where the police do not even believe the defendant has committed the offence with which he is charged, but fabricate evidence because the defendant is regarded as a "target criminal", usually based upon information provided by a paid police informant, and the defendant is "about due" to be convicted.  From what I have read of your own case Mike it is clear that you were a victim of this type of police corruption.  I do not use the words "noble cause" in describing it, corruption is what it is and it is disgraceful and unacceptable whenever it occurs.  I cannot stand bent police.

There is a part of me, that says that if a person did commit the crime alleged, it does not matter if the police falsified the evidence, to get him/her convicted of the offences for which they end up becoming convicted of, but at the the end of the day, I am utterly opposed to, any reliance upon falsifisd evidence, whether or not, it amounts to so called "noble cause corruption"...

What matters to me...

is whether or not "a defendant, any defendant, receives a just, and a fair trial"...

Amen...

When a defendant receives such a fair trial, he/she can have no complaint, and must accept the reality and lawfullness, of such a coviction ...

(1) http://news..com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19890829&id=fDNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RVkMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1566,4680623

(2) http://news..com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19890824&id=gBI1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=waULAAAAIBAJ&pg=6860,3270418

(3) http://news..com/newspapers?nid=2507&dat=19890830&id=hRI1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=waULAAAAIBAJ&pg=6539,5101124

(4) https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=834518

I was on the very same wing (B wing, HMP Full Sutton), as "CAPTAIN", who was convicted of being the courier rider, who delivered the parcel bomb, that blew off Eileen Caultons, hand...

I had an opportunity to speak to him, over a long period of time, about the offences for which he was/had been convicted, and I managed to provide him with reasonable grounds for getting his conviction, quashed on appeal...

An appeal which proved to be successful...

Successful because. jury returned a "Not Guilty" verdict, on count 1, (that he conspired to murder Eileen Caulton), but that he was convicted on count 2, that he attempted to murder her...

Courier admitted to me, that he delivered the parcel (bomb) that blew Eileen Caultons hand off, but denied being put up to do it by , in the knowledge that it was a parcel bomb designed to cause or inflict catastrophic damage to the recipient...

Like so many other cases, which I became aware of, the truth was twisted and portrayed as being something entirely different by the police, and the prosecuting authorities...

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

[Blodwynflower]

Good evening all

Action no. 401 (above) states SC nicotine fingers. Wasn't it reported that Sheila's fingers were "spotless" ?

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

[mike tesko]

Good evening all

Action no. 401 (above) states SC nicotine fingers. Wasn't it reported that Sheila's fingers were "spotless" ?

Yes...

[tyler]

Action 185 is very interesting!

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

(8) Police intended to carry out tests on the telephones at whf

Action 671 - Tests to be carried out on telephones at WHF

[mike tesko]

Here are all the police action report references to the silencer, which all came into being after the nature of the investigation changed/altered on 6th September 1985:-

Action 88 - collection of silencer from Ann Eaton, on 11th September 1985
Action 181 - check silencer for fibres
Action 200 - David Boutflour re cuts and silencer
Action 274 - SOC to examine Agar, re scarring undersides, allocated 18/09/85, to copy
Action 1190 - Peter EATON. Date when DS Jones took silencer. To copy
Action 1345 - see if silencer fits rifle
Action 1537 - T/ST Ann EATON re finding of silencer on 10/08/85
Action 1549 - T/ST HO forensic re properties of silencer. Hard metal

Several action reports are missing and appear to have been deliberately blanked out and could be subject of pii, as follows:-

Action - 290
Action - 302
Action - 554
Action - 564
Action - 579
Action - 760
Action - 1001
Action - 1289
Action - 1336
Action - 1367 - Pii
Action - 1494
Action - 1694 to 1700 (inclusive)

(1) Police took a video of the crime scene, but no-one appears to accept responsibility for the taking of it?

(2) Also note, police were aware of threats to kill Ralph Bamber, by Eden?

Action 399 - Murder scene video. To copy
Action 382 - Eden threats to kill. To copy

(3) Local resident who heard shotgun blast coming from direction of whf, around 10:15pm, on evening of 6th August 1985?

(4) Note, Susan Battesby and Julie Mugford were interviewed by police on 23rd September 1985, but interview details have never yet been disclosed?

Action 407 - Brian Smith
Action 426 - Batt and JM interview, 23/9. To copy

(5) Police received information or were aware that Sheila could have been shown how to load bullets into the gun

Action 462 - T/ST from RB re conversation. JB loading gun with SC. To copy

(6) Police received information about Sheila Caffells abortions

Action 510 - T/ST Mrs Robinson, re Sheila Caffells abortions. To copy

(7) tape of call Jeremy made to police wiped clean, because investigating officers did not request it?

Action 449 - Tape of call not requested - wiped. To copy

(8) Police intended to carry out tests on the telephones at whf

Action 671 - Tests to be carried out on telephones at WHF

(9) Why was original confession statement made in name of Julie Mugford, written in third person?

(10) Officers report, relating to shooting incident in the kitchen, has still not yet been disclosed?

Action 1600 - T/ST Julie Mugford. (1) Why is the confession in the third person? (2) Why did she not tell police for a month? Statement obtained. To copy

Action 1612 - Officers report re shooting in kitchen

[Roch]

Am I reading 1606 properly?  Is the scientist referring to such a transfer as a process occurring during the shootings?