Jeremy Bamber is defiant, and believes there's a " cover up "

[Bubo bubo]

Well. it's hardly likely that Nevill and June keep schtum if they get the chance to reach a telephone.

It stands to reason that if the EP had a 999 call which they have said did not happen and worked to conceal it,  that they would be likely to let the contents of any such call to be in the public domain. Within about 30 min of this call ending when the line was closed two ambulances arrived. I can find no evidence of who,  from where or when the ambulances were summoned. SC was in a mental breakdown. NB was out for the count and most likely deceased. That means only June could have made the call. If she was only wounded at that time it could only have been her that made it. As previously outlined there is no TOD for June. We have no way of knowing what her physical state and her physical abllities were at the time of the call.

[Jane]

I would have thought that it went without question that in a siege situation, ie, an, allegedly, mentally ill woman running amok with a loaded gun, police would have had ambulances on standby before they reached the scene.

[Bubo bubo]

I would have thought that it went without question that in a siege situation, ie, an, allegedly, mentally ill woman running amok with a loaded gun, police would have had ambulances on standby before they reached the scene.

If that were the case then why did it take them around 3 hours to summon ambulances. There were two. They did not know what they were dealing with and their actions in the begining suggest they thought they were dealing with a siege.

[Bubo bubo]

In a siege situation there is no telling how long it may last. It could resolve quicky. Some do or it could have been a long drawn out process as it was. On that basis why have them on standby. They should be called to the scene immediately because 5 lives were in danger.

[ILB]

Bews was a trained firearms officer. The property was full of guns. He made the correct call.

[ILB]

If that were the case then why did it take them around 3 hours to summon ambulances. There were two. They did not know what they were dealing with and their actions in the begining suggest they thought they were dealing with a siege.

Agree they thought it was siege.

I dont believe Jeremy Bamber from whatever stance you have heavily promoted the siege though. It came from the officers themselves.

You can only go from a starting point in any situation in life then go forward with what you think is the best thing to do.

Jeremy told Bews that Shelia and he had a poor relationship. If it had been described as a good one they may have asked Jeremy to speak on the loud hailer to get to Shelia. He was her brother.

Obviously the self described poor relationship by Jeremy they may have thought it would have just exceberated the issue.

[Jane]

If that were the case then why did it take them around 3 hours to summon ambulances. There were two. They did not know what they were dealing with and their actions in the begining suggest they thought they were dealing with a siege.

All part of the chaotic cock up caused by JB's input, maybe?

[ILB]

All part of the chaotic cock up caused by JB's input, maybe?

The way I look at it even from the gulity side of things, he just relayed his story. He was nothing other at that point other than a civilian and concerned relative ( or evil bastard who had just killed five people)

They got a few tit bits and they got him to sketch a rough plan of the house layout.

Any action that followed was then in the hands of EP

[ILB]

JBs story was quite to the point.

His dad phones him, " come quick your sister has gone crazy and HAS the gun " then the phone went dead.

I wouldnt call it a siege he was trying to create. More like a in house fracas or something concerning.

[ILB]

We also have to remember the mental health stigma of the 80s, JB heavily promoted this in fairness.

" nutter "

She's having treatment "

" she's doo lally "

" she's a depressive psychopath "

Attitudes were different back then a lot different. Life on Mars style policing.

[Bubo bubo]

All part of the chaotic cock up caused by JB's input, maybe?

I consider this response bordering on stupid. Not content with calling him guilty you are now attributing his behaviour in the episode as responsible for the police's behaviour.

[Jane]

I consider this response bordering on stupid. Not content with calling him guilty you are now attributing his behaviour in the episode as responsible for the police's behaviour.

I believe it contributed to it, certainly. At the time, he was a distressed relative, their only reference point. How could they not have taken on board what he said? "Bordering on stupid" could also describe the suggestion that an injured June made a call! Perhaps she wandered downstairs because she discovered the bedroom phone was missing?

[Bubo bubo]

I believe it contributed to it, certainly. At the time, he was a distressed relative, their only reference point. How could they not have taken on board what he said? "Bordering on stupid" could also describe the suggestion that an injured June made a call! Perhaps she wandered downstairs because she discovered the bedroom phone was missing?

Why was there no phone in the bedroom?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12626.msg584872.html#msg584872

It is clear you do not understand the issues surrounding the phones. Read the above and explain the situation that existed.

[Steve_uk]

Why was there no phone in the bedroom?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12626.msg584872.html#msg584872

It is clear you do not understand the issues surrounding the phones. Read the above and explain the situation that existed.

Your assertion that there had to be a telephone in the master bedroom on August 6-7 doesn't help us. Jeremy could disable all telephones by phoning Bourtree Cottage from the kitchen, leave the handset off the cradle and just let it keep ringing.

[Adam]

It would have taken huge physical effort from June. 

To crawl to Nevill's side of the bed after being shot 5 times.

Can only think June did that to use the bedroom phone.

Bamber must have disabled this phone from downstairs.

After the shooting he moved the bedroom phone next to Nevill & left it off the hook.