Hearing New Evidence

[Steve_uk]

As far as I am aware he had never been arrested prior to 1985 for anything. Although I have read he had some shit in NZ and had to go in a line up. No UK criminal record though to my knowledge.

Well, I wasn't thinking of that exactly, more Nevill's comment of the local police force being Dad's Army. He would also know the routine or beat of local police in the early hours. I believe he had had previous contact with one of the officers on the occasion of his car accident, so had possibly sussed out how his status affected his treatment by them.

[ILB]

Well, I wasn't thinking of that exactly, more Nevill's comment of the local police force being Dad's Army. He would also know the routine or beat of local police in the early hours. I believe he had had previous contact with one of the officers on the occasion of his car accident, so had possibly sussed out how his status affected his treatment by them.

I don't think a 24 year old farmer would be completely sure with the police schedule, he risked a pull on the chance of a passing patrol car.

[Rob_]

Julie said he would wear a mask. It might depend on whether a passer-by could recognize the bike.

No, if anyone sees someone cycling around 3 in the morning along rough farm tracks / sea wall Bamber is rumbled more so if wearing a mask. A quick inspection of the bike would be very revealing.

His only option is to walk in my view, can take a more direct route, keep well clear of farms and dogs and duck down if he sees anyone. I appreciate now that the times don't work as Bamber obviously thought calls could be traced.

It's why I am interested in the Aga, if hypostasis rules out the police moving Nevil than we are left with Nevil lying against the Aga for around 4 hours. This means the tragedy started around 11 while we know Bamber was still at his cottage. Obviously it has to be proven that the Aga caused the marks.

[Cambridgecutie]

No, if anyone sees someone cycling around 3 in the morning along rough farm tracks / sea wall Bamber is rumbled more so if wearing a mask. A quick inspection of the bike would be very revealing.

His only option is to walk in my view, can take a more direct route, keep well clear of farms and dogs and duck down if he sees anyone. I appreciate now that the times don't work as Bamber obviously thought calls could be traced.

It's why I am interested in the Aga, if hypostasis rules out the police moving Nevil than we are left with Nevil lying against the Aga for around 4 hours. This means the tragedy started around 11 while we know Bamber was still at his cottage. Obviously it has to be proven that the Aga caused the marks.

But according to JB he received a tel call from NB at circa 3.30am? 

[Cambridgecutie]

No, if anyone sees someone cycling around 3 in the morning along rough farm tracks / sea wall Bamber is rumbled more so if wearing a mask. A quick inspection of the bike would be very revealing.

His only option is to walk in my view, can take a more direct route, keep well clear of farms and dogs and duck down if he sees anyone. I appreciate now that the times don't work as Bamber obviously thought calls could be traced.

It's why I am interested in the Aga, if hypostasis rules out the police moving Nevil than we are left with Nevil lying against the Aga for around 4 hours. This means the tragedy started around 11 while we know Bamber was still at his cottage. Obviously it has to be proven that the Aga caused the marks.

Why do you have to make everything so complicated?  The simplest answer is usually the right one.

[Steve_uk]

Why do you have to make everything so complicated?  The simplest answer is usually the right one.

Which is the simplest answer: driving, walking or cycling?

[Cambridgecutie]

Which is the simplest answer: driving, walking or cycling?

After he left WHF his next return journey was by car when EP overtook him.

I was referring to Rob's scenario of wanting to reinvent everything to fit in some loopy theory about back burning on the Aga.  You could not make it up.  I bet the CCRC have a right old laugh.

[Rob_]

After he left WHF his next return journey was by car when EP overtook him.

I was referring to Rob's scenario of wanting to reinvent everything to fit in some loopy theory about back burning on the Aga.  You could not make it up.  I bet the CCRC have a right old laugh.

No ones laughing Cc if it can be proven it was the Aga, should be easy either way.

If it's not the Aga does not matter to me just interested in all aspects of the case.

[Cambridgecutie]

No ones laughing Cc if it can be proven it was the Aga, should be easy either way.

If it's not the Aga does not matter to me just interested in all aspects of the case.

You believe JB innocent:

- NB called JB at circa 3.30am
- The police found NB in the kitchen perched on the back of the chair with his head hanging forward.  An image we are all familiar with.
- DC Bird, soc officer and photograher, photograhped NB in above position
- The pathologist, who undertook the pm, said NB's found position as depicted on soc images was consistent with hypostatis.  A view shared with the defence pathologist

There is no scope for some loopy theory about back burning on the Aga.  It is barking and the sooner the theory and those that support it are put out to pasture the better!

[Rob_]

It takes around 6 hours for hypostasis to become fixed, so someone can be moved and hypostasis will reestablish.

[Cambridgecutie]

It takes around 6 hours for hypostasis to become fixed, so someone can be moved and hypostasis will reestablish.

Give it up.

Who was going to do the moving? 

[Rob_]

Give it up.

Who was going to do the moving?

Give what up?

The first thing is to prove or disprove if the Aga caused the marks, I don't give a dam what the CCRC think so don't keep banging on about it.

We all know you need overwhelming evidence to overturn a conviction.

[Jane]

Give what up?

The first thing is to prove or disprove if the Aga caused the marks, I don't give a dam what the CCRC think so don't keep banging on about it.

We all know you need overwhelming evidence to overturn a conviction.

Are you claiming not to care one way all the other, or are you saying you're right even if the CCRC think otherwise?

[Rob_]

Are you claiming not to care one way all the other, or are you saying you're right even if the CCRC think otherwise?

I am trying like others to establish what happened that night, I am not interested in what the CCRC would make of it.

Otherwise we might as well just have one topic on the blood evidence.

[Cambridgecutie]

Give what up?

This ridculous Aga back burning theory.

The first thing is to prove or disprove if the Aga caused the marks, I don't give a dam what the CCRC think so don't keep banging on about it.

Even if you could prove the marks on NB's back were caused by the Aga what's the point if not to assist JB with a successful submission and ultimately referral to CoA?

We all know you need overwhelming evidence to overturn a conviction.

In which case why are you wasting time on something that doesn't have a cat in hells chance?