Hearing New Evidence

[Adam]

ILB is just a troll who supports Bamber because he met him once.

Honour amongst scum.

[ILB]

Well AE & Julie said he did those.

AE commented upon it

Julie supported a boyfriend for a month till he upgraded.

[ILB]

ILB is just a troll who supports Bamber because he met him once.

Honour amongst scum.

There's no need to compliment me.

Jeremy says he's  innocent man fighting for freedom. A position he's maintained since 85.

[Curiosity]

I have posted repeatedly about the soc evidence by way of blood stains/lack of to flooring, casings, distance of shots, trajectories and wound tracks.  You piece it all together and it tells you what happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_reconstruction

I am not interested in West and the boring phone calls/logs.  They do not tell you what happened.

i.e. that Nevill was shot whilst in the bedroom. No evidence of any casings being found on the staircase, other than one on the lower landing close by the skirting which EP believe was the result of one of two headshots which killed June.  They were absolutely right about that, imo.

[Cambridgecutie]

Again to give an adult sensible reply none of us know for sure the movements of Jeremy Bamber in the time of question. The option is very much open.

It is not open:

- JB said he left WHF as he usually would
- DF heard him drive off
- JB called JM circa 9.50pm and the call lasted 17 - 20 mins as per JM's WS 8th Aug.  JB agrees with this.
- PB called June at WHF circa 10pm.  There was only one line at WHF.  June made no mention of JB staying over which she might well have done since it would be unusual.
- A dog walker saw JB's car outside his cottage later that evening.
- No one has ever suggested JB stayed over on 6th Aug or any other evening.  He had his own cottage down the road and all the evidence supports him returning there on 6th Aug.

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

[Cambridgecutie]

i.e. that Nevill was shot whilst in the bedroom. No evidence of any casings being found on the staircase, other than one on the lower landing close by the skirting which EP believe was the result of one of two headshots which killed June.  They were absolutely right about that, imo.

It is the totality of the evidence that supports the soc reconstruction. 

2 of the shots NB sustained (facial) upstairs were inflicted when the shooter and ejection port were within the confines of the main bedroom.  The 2 shots NB sustained (shoulder and elbow/chest) when he was facing down the stairs were inflicted when the shooter was behind.  The ejection port ejects to the left so yes the cartridge cases would eject onto the landing and into the main bedroom through the open door.

[ILB]

It is not open:

- JB said he left WHF as he usually would
- DF heard him drive off
- JB called JM circa 9.50pm and the call lasted 17 - 20 mins as per JM's WS 8th Aug.  JB agrees with this.
- PB called June at WHF circa 10pm.  There was only one line at WHF.  June made no mention of JB staying over which she might well have done since it would be unusual.
- A dog walker saw JB's car outside his cottage later that evening.
- No one has ever suggested JB stayed over on 6th Aug or any other evening.  He had his own cottage down the road and all the evidence supports him returning there on 6th Aug.

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

It's very much open. Stop getting frustrated. I will do what I like.

[Cambridgecutie]

It's very much open. Stop getting frustrated. I will do what I like.

I am not getting frustrated at all.  Just highlighting absurd theories.

[ILB]

I am not getting frustrated at all.  Just highlighting absurd theories.

It's not absurd, one could suggest your brainwashing of JM is absurd but I do the decent thing and take it on board and explore it.

I don't see why June would mention to PB about Jez kipping the night. And I still can't go on approx times hence to me the theory is open. That's all it remains. I am not championing it. But I am not closing it either.

[Curiosity]

It is the totality of the evidence that supports the soc reconstruction. 

2 of the shots NB sustained (facial) upstairs were inflicted when the shooter and ejection port were within the confines of the main bedroom.  The 2 shots NB sustained (shoulder and elbow/chest) when he was facing down the stairs were inflicted when the shooter was behind.  The ejection port ejects to the left so yes the cartridge cases would eject onto the landing and into the main bedroom through the open door.

Wake up! It ejects to the right -

[Cambridgecutie]

It's not absurd, one could suggest your brainwashing of JM is absurd but I do the decent thing and take it on board and explore it.

I don't see why June would mention to PB about Jez kipping the night. And I still can't go on approx times hence to me the theory is open. That's all it remains. I am not championing it. But I am not closing it either.

It is not absurd at all.  DS Jones brainwashing JM was a tactic the police used pre PACE and was one of the main reasons for introducing PACE because of all the miscarriages of justice produced by unreliable testimony.

There is a mountain of evidence to support JB returning home on 6th Aug.  What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?

[ILB]

20 minutes.

Or the money to pay for a taxi.

Why should he pay it?

Let her fork out for it

[Cambridgecutie]

Wake up! It ejects to the right -

Ooops yes I meant to the right! 

[ILB]

There is a mountain of evidence to support JB returning to him home on 6th Aug.  What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?

Mountain of evidence?

There is the word of JB himself. And the mysterious guy who supposably saw his car parked outside his house never gave a statement to the effect. He also had just claimed to have left a public house so may have been three sheets to the wind. ( pissed)

There is a phonecall at 3.26am on August 7th from his house. Prior to leaving WHF if that's what he did according to DF then there is no tangible evidence to suggest exactly where JB was between 10pm and 3.26am This is pre electronic evidence and cell site era. The only person who says they were at home was JB himself.

The theory which is what many of us have such as your brainwashing of mugford can't be conclusively broken down. So it remains open.

[Cambridgecutie]

Mountain of evidence?

There is the word of JB himself. And the mysterious guy who supposably saw his car parked outside his house never gave a statement to the effect. He also had just claimed to have left a public house so may have been three sheets to the wind. ( pissed)

There is a phonecall at 3.26am on August 7th from his house.Prior to leaving WHF if that's what he did according to DF then there is no tangible evidence to suggest exactly where JB was between 10pm and 3.26am This is pre electronic evidence and cell site era. The only person who says they were at home was JB himself.

The theory which is what many of us have such as your brainwashing of mugford can't be conclusively broken down. So it remains open.

Yes there's no evidence as to what he was doing after the phone call to JM made at circa 9.50pm but your absurd theory is that he never left WHF.   

If he never left WHF how come EP overtook him en route?