I can't think of one reason why it might have been Sheila

[snow66!]

Okay. Perhaps you'd care to clarify the point you were intending to make?

The point is Jane, that JB could enter by slipping the latch on a window but couldn't exit again and secure the widow behind him!
He pointed this out to the police himself!
And all doors and widows were secured from the inside!
In other words, JB could enter, but could not exit undetected!

[Jane]

The point is Jane, that JB could enter by slipping the latch on a window but couldn't exit again and secure the widow behind him!
He pointed this out to the police himself!
And all doors and widows were secured from the inside!
In other words, JB could enter, but could not exit undetected!

Which would be fine if it could be guaranteed 100% that "all doors and windows were secured from inside the house". I know what the claim is, but so often, claim and reality are polarized.

[Cambridgecutie]

Did any of them find anything to affirm that it was suicide? Anything to suggest it?

None of the senior officers or experts, all with decades of experience under their belts, found anything to contradict the murder/suicide theory.

A Det Sup Kenneally was taksed with reviewing the case.  He found nothing to contradict the murder/sucide theory.

What further affirmation do you require that all concerned were satisfied it was a case of murder/suicide?

The relatives and DS Jones, aided and abetted by an incompetent and corrupt FSS @ Huntindgon, led by Ronald Outteridge who was charged with perverting the course of justice in the case of Stefan Kiszko, were determined they were going to secure a conviction. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Also, I have just thought - initially, they didn't know that Jeremy could get in and out through windows and the house was secure with no sign of a break-in.

Jeremy couldn't have been a likely suspect at the start, because without any sign of a break-in or known means of entry, how could it have been anyone else?

JB admitted he could gain entry into the farmhouse when it appeared secure from outside but he did not know of way to exit and leave the property secured from within.

DCI Jones checked all windows and doors and all were secured from within.

The relatives introduced the theory of JB exiting through a window and slamming it shut and in doing so simultaneously securing the catch back into position.  The relatives carried out their own experiments which the incompetent and corrupt lab became involved with. 

Why didn't the defence arrange to take jurors to the farmhouse to see in practice how this worked?  Instead the trial judge told jurors:

As the trial Judge said (at page 10E):

"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

[Jane]

JB admitted he could gain entry into the farmhouse when it appeared secure from outside but he did not know of way to exit and leave the property secured from within.

DCI Jones checked all windows and doors and all were secured from within.

The relatives introduced the theory of JB exiting through a window and slamming it shut and in doing so simultaneously securing the catch back into position.  The relatives carried out their own experiments which the incompetent and corrupt lab became involved with. 

Why didn't the defence arrange to take jurors to the farmhouse to see in practice how this worked?  Instead the trial judge told jurors:

As the trial Judge said (at page 10E):

"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

I think we do need to know exactly how thorough was the check which ascertained "all windows and doors were secured from within".

[Zoso]

JB admitted he could gain entry into the farmhouse when it appeared secure from outside but he did not know of way to exit and leave the property secured from within.

DCI Jones checked all windows and doors and all were secured from within.

The relatives introduced the theory of JB exiting through a window and slamming it shut and in doing so simultaneously securing the catch back into position.  The relatives carried out their own experiments which the incompetent and corrupt lab became involved with. 

Why didn't the defence arrange to take jurors to the farmhouse to see in practice how this worked?  Instead the trial judge told jurors:

As the trial Judge said (at page 10E):

"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

No, he said he did but the bathroom window was found to be 'unlocked' with no explanation as to why? Just so happens that this is the window Bamber was used to using to gain entry. A coincidence too far!

[snow66!]

Which would be fine if it could be guaranteed 100% that "all doors and windows were secured from inside the house". I know what the claim is, but so often, claim and reality are polarized.

Well, it could be proved if there was a photo of the kitchen window with the bottom latch secured, Jane!

[Zoso]

Well, it could be proved if there was a photo of the kitchen window with the bottom latch secured, Jane!

Nope, because the bathroom was found to be unlocked - closed but unlocked and THAT was the window Bamber used frequently to gain access.

[snow66!]

Nope, because the bathroom was found to be unlocked - closed but unlocked and THAT was the window Bamber used frequently to gain access.

If that is a fact Zoso, why didn't the police tell that to Robert Boutflour and save the poor man banging at other windows to prove where JB exited the Whitehouse?

[Rob_]

Nope, because the bathroom was found to be unlocked - closed but unlocked and THAT was the window Bamber used frequently to gain access.

I hope you can back this up Zoso? because the window Bamber gained entry through could not be secured from outside if leaving this way.

I don't think Bamber would leave it unlocked if he exited through the kitchen window?

All the windows were secured according to Taff.

[Steve_uk]

I hope you can back this up Zoso? because the window Bamber gained entry through could not be secured from outside if leaving this way.

I don't think Bamber would leave it unlocked if he exited through the kitchen window?

All the windows were secured according to Taff.

But why did Bamber say: "Secure windows, insecure windows, it makes no difference" under interrogation in September 1985?

[Cambridgecutie]

No, he said he did but the bathroom window was found to be 'unlocked' with no explanation as to why? Just so happens that this is the window Bamber was used to using to gain entry. A coincidence too far!

That's not correct:

265. Complaint is made that part of Mr Ainsley's Final Report was not disclosed to the Defence in which he wrote:

"There was no apparent entry to or exit from the house and D.Chief Inspector Jones did in fact examine the inside of all ground floor windows and noted that they were all shut and secured on their latches. The scene was photographed. It seems however that after the inspection of D.Chief Jones some person had partially opened the transom window in the kitchen and also opened the catch on the ground floor bathroom windows. I have been unable to discover the person responsible but there was comment made of the smell in the kitchen and the flies gathering. There is no reason to believe that the bathroom window was opened, but following the departure of the Scene of Crime officer, the witness Police Sergeant Golding secured the windows mentioned."

[Rob_]

That's not correct:

265. Complaint is made that part of Mr Ainsley's Final Report was not disclosed to the Defence in which he wrote:

"There was no apparent entry to or exit from the house and D.Chief Inspector Jones did in fact examine the inside of all ground floor windows and noted that they were all shut and secured on their latches. The scene was photographed. It seems however that after the inspection of D.Chief Jones some person had partially opened the transom window in the kitchen and also opened the catch on the ground floor bathroom windows. I have been unable to discover the person responsible but there was comment made of the smell in the kitchen and the flies gathering. There is no reason to believe that the bathroom window was opened, but following the departure of the Scene of Crime officer, the witness Police Sergeant Golding secured the windows mentioned."

If my memory is correct there was one window that was not secured but as it had a metal grill across it makes little difference.

Surely a sharp eyed copper would have spotted broken cobwebs disturbed dust etc. if Bamber had clambered in and out through the windows?

[Cambridgecutie]

If my memory is correct there was one window that was not secured but as it had a metal grill across it makes little difference.

Surely a sharp eyed copper would have spotted broken cobwebs disturbed dust etc. if Bamber had clambered in and out through the windows?

It is referred to in DCI Jones' pocketbook.  It was referred to as the dairy window.  I would call it a pantry.  As you said it had a mesh/metal grill and covered in cobwebs. 

264. In contrast with Sergeant Golding, DCI Jones made a statement dated 7 October 1985 in which he reported that he had attended at the farm at approximately 9.15 a.m. on 7 August and he had proceeded to check every room on the ground floor of the house and found that on the ground floor all the windows in the house were secure and locked except the window to the dairy.

[Rob_]

It is referred to in DCI Jones' pocketbook.  It was referred to as the dairy window.  I would call it a pantry.  As you said it had a mesh/metal grill and covered in cobwebs. 

264. In contrast with Sergeant Golding, DCI Jones made a statement dated 7 October 1985 in which he reported that he had attended at the farm at approximately 9.15 a.m. on 7 August and he had proceeded to check every room on the ground floor of the house and found that on the ground floor all the windows in the house were secure and locked except the window to the dairy.

Despite what the judge said if you can't get out without leaving a window unsecured has to be suicide.