I can't think of one reason why it might have been Sheila

[ILB]

Seems DS Jones thought JB was doing a " dying swan" act in the field, later coming back with some opium poppies.

[Jane]

Indeed I have , usually after spending five minutes in their company. I'm sure many have felt the same way about me. But in this instance at the point in time it was a bereaved relative and detective. The latter had no reason to suspect the former at the time. It just seems they got off on a rocky road from the outset.

I'm guessing he'd have dealt with bereavement on previous occasions, albeit none quite as shocking. Perhaps there was something about JB's responses which didn't quite ring true?

[BarefootDanC]

Well all of EP, incl very senior officers eg Chief Sup Harris, the police surgeon and pathologist found nothing to contradict the murder/suicide theory.

The only dissenter at the early stages was DS Jones who perhaps unsurprisingly was involved with all the incriminating evidence eg silencer and JM's testimony.

That maybe so, but still, I can't think of one single reason.

Jeremy told them he received a call from his father and they went along with his story, initially, niavely believing it.

[BarefootDanC]

Well all of EP, incl very senior officers eg Chief Sup Harris, the police surgeon and pathologist found nothing to contradict the murder/suicide theory.

The only dissenter at the early stages was DS Jones who perhaps unsurprisingly was involved with all the incriminating evidence eg silencer and JM's testimony.

Did any of them find anything to affirm that it was suicide? Anything to suggest it?

[Jane]

That maybe so, but still, I can't think of one single reason.

Jeremy told them he received a call from his father and they went along with his story, initially, niavely believing it.

I've previously said that because of the circumstances under which they first met him, i.e. under siege conditions, JB was able to blind side police. They we all probably scared w(sh)itless, never having experienced such a situation outside of 're-enactments' and were very open to being manipulated.

[BarefootDanC]

Also, I have just thought - initially, they didn't know that Jeremy could get in and out through windows and the house was secure with no sign of a break-in.

Jeremy couldn't have been a likely suspect at the start, because without any sign of a break-in or known means of entry, how could it have been anyone else?

[snow66!]

Also, I have just thought - initially, they didn't know that Jeremy could get in and out through windows and the house was secure with no sign of a break-in.

Jeremy couldn't have been a likely suspect at the start, because without any sign of a break-in or known means of entry, how could it have been anyone else?

Forget signs of a break-in Dan, the windows and doors were all secured firmly from the inside making an exit impossible.
That is what you have to focus on!!

[David1819]

This is what Prof Knight said

"A. Can I say, leading up to that, that I was struck in this case by the fact that in all the other four shootings, the direction was downwards or horizontal.  Sheila is the only shooting of the whole five where the bullets have gone upwards. Obviously one must put the gun under the chin with the butt down there at the bottom.  For a third party to do this seems rather extraordinary. To shoot upwards through throat, because he would have to hold the gun under her neck when she is obviously upright because of the blood splashings. And although its not impossible, it seems a strange thing to happen. As I say it is the only death of the five where the wounds went down or straight through. So I think it would be difficult for someone else to do this without her objecting."

[Jane]

Forget signs of a break-in Dan, the windows and doors were all secured firmly from the inside making an exit impossible.
That is what you have to focus on!!

Which says what, exactly? It's quite possible that JB A) had a spare key B) returned early enough to be let in by his father. However, it's very clear he knew how to get in by means other than through a door, as evidenced by his entry when he went to get his passport.

[Adam]

Which says what, exactly? It's quite possible that JB A) had a spare key B) returned early enough to be let in by his father. However, it's very clear he knew how to get in by means other than through a door, as evidenced by his entry when he went to get his passport.

ILB believes he let himself in with a key.

No evidence he had a key.

If he did it would be of no use on the night as Nevill and June would have bolted the doors.

[ILB]

ILB believes he let himself in with a key.

No evidence he had a key.

If he did it would be of no use on the night as Nevill and June would have bolted the doors.

Yes there is

[ILB]

If he did it would be of no use on the night as Nevill and June would have bolted the doors.

Not nessecarily.

Bamber could have bolted the doors from the inside and left via a window to give an appearance of them bolted.

[Adam]

This is what Prof Knight said

"A. Can I say, leading up to that, that I was struck in this case by the fact that in all the other four shootings, the direction was downwards or horizontal.  Sheila is the only shooting of the whole five where the bullets have gone upwards. Obviously one must put the gun under the chin with the butt down there at the bottom.  For a third party to do this seems rather extraordinary. To shoot upwards through throat, because he would have to hold the gun under her neck when she is obviously upright because of the blood splashings. And although its not impossible, it seems a strange thing to happen. As I say it is the only death of the five where the wounds went down or straight through. So I think it would be difficult for someone else to do this without her objecting."

Downward shots -

June's 5 bed shots.
June's 2 floor shots.

Nevill's 2 face shots in bed.

Nevill's 4 kitchen head shots.

Daniel/Nicholas 8 bed shots.

Horizontal Shots -

Nevill's 2 torso shots in the bedroom.

[snow66!]

Which says what, exactly? It's quite possible that JB A) had a spare key B) returned early enough to be let in by his father. However, it's very clear he knew how to get in by means other than through a door, as evidenced by his entry when he went to get his passport.

You failed to address the point I made Jane!
No one said that JB had a problem getting in to the Whitehouse!

[Jane]

Forget signs of a break-in Dan, the windows and doors were all secured firmly from the inside making an exit impossible.
That is what you have to focus on!!

Okay. Perhaps you'd care to clarify the point you were intending to make?