Two moderators?

[Rob_]

But you're not the CCRC/CoA.

Rivlin had the opportunity to challenge the chain of custody.  He chose not to. 

There were numerous bibles within the farmhouse but only one is relevant to the case.

I understand there were 2 or 3 identical silencers hanging around but only one is relevant to the case.

You're not thinking it through Rob.

If you study all the documents relating to the rifle / moderator dimensions, there looks to be two silencers.

Unless like all the clocks that night all the tape measures in Essex were also faulty.

[Rob_]

Would you not expect a gun cupboard to have more than one silencer?

I am not talking about the gun cupboard but the number of silencers examined by the lab/police.

[Adam]

I am not talking about the gun cupboard but the number of silencers examined by the lab/police.

The experts at Huntingdon would examine the moderator the relatives handed in. That had paint & blood on.

The other moderators would not be examined 

[BarefootDanC]

I am not talking about the gun cupboard but the number of silencers examined by the lab/police.

Why would the police have other sound moderators examined as they would be clean? What would forensics be looking for?

[ILB]

Why would the police have other sound moderators examined as they would be clean? What would forensics be looking for?

I must admit I don't get the multiple moderator ground.

[Bubo bubo]

I must admit I don't get the multiple moderator ground.

The original SM found on the day (SM1) belonged to AP. They could not use this at trial as JB would know it was not his. They had to make a swap at some point. They created SM2 as a doppelganger using JB's (SM2) read my posts.

[Cambridgecutie]

The original SM found on the day (SM1) belonged to AP. They could not use this at trial as JB would know it was not his. They had to make a swap at some point. They created SM2 as a doppelganger using JB's (SM2) read my posts.

Please provide a source/evidence for your assertion the police "found on the day" (assume from this you mean 7th Aug) a silencer belonging to AP.  Even if they did why would they add this to the exhibits list and photograph it?

What reason(s) existed for SoC officers not to add any relevant exhibits to exhibits lists and take soc images of such when WHF was considered a SoC ie from 7th Aug to 9th Aug?

Numerous firearms and related paraphernalia remained in the farmhouse because they were not relevant.  I've recently given the analogy of the bibles.  Ie numerous bibles were within the farmhouse but only one was relevant to the SoC.  Numerous firearms were within the farmhouse but only one was relevant to the SoC.

[ILB]

The original SM found on the day (SM1) belonged to AP. They could not use this at trial as JB would know it was not his. They had to make a swap at some point. They created SM2 as a doppelganger using JB's (SM2) read my posts.

But how does that negate the blood evidence?

[Bubo bubo]

But how does that negate the blood evidence?

I agree with CC the blood/flake was 'Cooked up' by the FSS. Read my posts on the flake. It could have been constructed from blood and tissue presented to MDF by Taylor when he had finished his examinations around PV20. Which was switched because the Lans and grooves did not match those of the Anschutz. I have set this out in my posts.

Suggest you use the search facility. Search flake by Bubobubo.

[Bubo bubo]

I agree with CC the blood/flake was 'Cooked up' by the FSS. Read my posts on the flake. It could have been constructed from blood and tissue presented to MDF by Taylor when he had finished his examinations around PV20. Which was switched because the Lans and grooves did not match those of the Anschutz. I have set this out in my posts.

Suggest you use the search facility. Search flake by Bubobubo.

You may find these posts add to my argument.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10740.msg505360.html#msg505360

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12350.msg571814.html#msg571814

[Bubo bubo]

You may find these posts add to my argument.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10740.msg505360.html#msg505360

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12350.msg571814.html#msg571814

This is also explains my point

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10740.msg495095.html#msg495095

[Cambridgecutie]

I agree with CC the blood/flake was 'Cooked up' by the FSS. Read my posts on the flake. It could have been constructed from blood and tissue presented to MDF by Taylor when he had finished his examinations around PV20. Which was switched because the Lans and grooves did not match those of the Anschutz. I have set this out in my posts.

Suggest you use the search facility. Search flake by Bubobubo.

I am sorry but I doubt many have the time or inclination to read your convoluted theories.  None of which stand up to scrutiny. 

No one has ever mentioned any tissue in or on the silencer.  No idea who Taylor is?  Anyone?

I know for a fact MDF 'misled' the jury over one aspect of the case so there is no reason to think he wasn't capable of 'misleading' over other aspects. 

There was no need for anyone to plant blood inside the silencer to generate a set of test results.  The LCN DNA tests support this but I am open-minded.  Given LCN DNA is capable of generating a result from samples as small as a millionth the size of a grain of salt the argument that SC's DNA could not be conclusively found in the silencer because all the blood was swabbed away in 1985/6 doesn't really stand up.

The prosecution also claim that JB placed the silencer on SC's person before he removed it.  Therefore you would expect other biological material to transfer by way of sweat and skin cells which would transfer to the outside and contaminate the ends and inside when handled by FSS.

[Adam]

The moderator has been a dead duck for decades.

There has been nothing left to test or it has been disposed of.

But appreciate the CT have to keep it in the media. Resulting the recent photo of a box with a silencer in & 'two moderators' quote.

[Bubo bubo]

I am sorry but I doubt many have the time or inclination to read your convoluted theories.  None of which stand up to scrutiny. 

No one has ever mentioned any tissue in or on the silencer.  No idea who Taylor is?  Anyone?

I know for a fact MDF 'misled' the jury over one aspect of the case so there is no reason to think he wasn't capable of 'misleading' over other aspects. 

There was no need for anyone to plant blood inside the silencer to generate a set of test results.  The LCN DNA tests support this but I am open-minded.  Given LCN DNA is capable of generating a result from samples as small as a millionth the size of a grain of salt the argument that SC's DNA could not be conclusively found in the silencer because all the blood was swabbed away in 1985/6 doesn't really stand up.

The prosecution also claim that JB placed the silencer on SC's person before he removed it.  Therefore you would expect other biological material to transfer by way of sweat and skin cells which would transfer to the outside and contaminate the ends and inside when handled by FSS.

I thought you knew the case. Taylor passed the bullet (PV20 )to MDF together with his findings. The tissue could have been used when creating a flake.

 

[ILB]

The moderator has been a dead duck for decades.

There has been nothing left to test or it has been disposed of.

But appreciate the CT have to keep it in the media. Resulting the recent photo of a box with a silencer in & 'two moderators' quote.

I can't see how it can overturn the conviction. I have to agree with you.

Doesn't matter if they found 30 moderators, all that matters is the one with the blood of the other potential suspect.