CAL - Twins being shot once each with shots 10 & 11.

[Steve_uk]

Out of all the victims he had the least animosity towards the twins.

Killing children is no easy feat I would imagine, even for the most cold blooded person.

I have always believed that he could have spared them.

A gradation in hatred methinks. But the official story is he had an idyllic childhood in a picturesque, bucolic environment catering to his every wish. The truth was very different.

[Steve_uk]

Saw a recent TikTok video of an expensive property in London. Looked small from the outside. Once inside it expanded into a vast rabbit warren.

WHF already looks big from the outside so will be very big inside.

This would be an advantage to Bamber when entering & ascenting upstairs.

He then had the 5 people in one section.

Maybe it's the same story with this property: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/househunter-horrified-after-learning-500k-33875440#google_vignette

[Adam]

Things me & CAL agree on -

Bamber shot 4 people before his first re load.

Nevill woke while June was being shot.

The twins were intially shot once each.

It is possible the twins were shot with shots 10/11.

[Adam]

Things we disagree on -

Nevill followed Bamber downstairs.

For me he may have been going for an 11 shot massacre. But lost control when Nevill reacted.

[Adam]

My scenario has the twins being shot first. Once each. Julie does say they were shot first.

But possible they were shot once each with shots 10/11. This would have given Nevill the chance to leave the bedroom unimpeded. .

[Adam]

We agree that the twins were shot in quick succession. As the Pathologist says.

However we believe these were 6 shots in quick succession, rather than 8.

[ILB]

A gradation in hatred methinks. But the official story is he had an idyllic childhood in a picturesque, bucolic environment catering to his every wish. The truth was very different.

I believe he did have a happy home life. Him and shelia. When they were children.

Problems formulating for both later on

[ILB]

We agree that the twins were shot in quick succession. As the Pathologist says.

However we believe these were 6 shots in quick succession, rather than 8.

I don't know about the sequence the twins were shot to be honest.

But I don't believe they were killed first. Nevill was his primary aim.
I have always believed he would want to eradicate nevill first.

[Adam]

I don't know about the sequence the twins were shot to be honest.

But I don't believe they were killed first. Nevill was his primary aim.
I have always believed he would want to eradicate nevill first.

Do you think he shot the twins with bullets 10/11. Or just went upstairs with 9 bullets.

[Adam]

It is possible he went upstairs with 9 bullets, for June and Nevill.

Confident the twins and Sheila would not wake when he went back downstairs to re load.

Me & CAL believe he went upstairs with 11. Shooting the twins once each. With shots 1/2 or 10/11.

[Adam]

There are lots of scenario permutations. All which match the crime scene.

Bamber would have had a fixed plan. Based on his knowledge of WHF, the family & the rifle.

His ultimate aim was achieved. But the kitchen fight, back burning and Sheila's 2 shots were not planned.

He may have even attempted an 11 shot massacre, which quickly went pear shaped.

Despite this, his behaviour afterwards show he was still very confident. Having hours/days to peddle his narrative to the police would have helped.

[ILB]

He went into this knowing full well the person who could cause him the most calamity was Nevill.

So although I agree with you, he didn't expect a fight I would strongly suggest he definitely had thought it may occur and would be prepared for it.

[ILB]

There may have been a slight degree of panic once Nevill brushed him aside in the master bedroom room and bombed down the stairs. The adrenalin would have been pumping.

[ILB]

He would want a quick exit from the scene of the crime in a situation like this. Just get out there. Gone. Vanished.

This is why I see the bike as such a none starter. It's just too much pissing around for him

He could bang the motor on pages lane, saunter down, saunter back jump in the motor bomb it back to goldhanger, if he bombs it he can make it back in six minutes.

[ILB]

Once back home, shower, wash clothes, have a smoke, brief rest, ring julie/coppers