Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Zoso]

Completely ignores my question. Why would the police, whether an individual police officer or more than one, frame someone who they didn't (or he/she) didn't suspect?

Have there been any other cases where this happens?

Surely, the police would need a reason or motive to frame someone - they (or he) wouldn't frame someone for mass murder on a whim.

I've asked this question before - don't hold your breath for an answer.

[ILB]

It's non sensical to suggest Jones and Ainsley went on a duo mission to frame Jeremy Bamber without monetary gain.

[Jane]

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There was no "they".  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory.

There was no "they" about it.  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory and he alone fabricated the silencer and secured JM's testimony.....................

That is quite untrue. I used to have huge arguments with my friend who'd been there. He -and others, I suspect- had suspected JB from the start. Sadly, by the time I came round to his way of thinking, he was too ill to understand.

[Jane]

Completely ignores my question. Why would the police, whether an individual police officer or more than one, frame someone who they didn't (or he/she) didn't suspect?

Have there been any other cases where this happens?

Surely, the police would need a reason or motive to frame someone - they (or he) wouldn't frame someone for mass murder on a whim.

Especially when such a huge about turn was going to leave them looking like Keystone Cops with egg on their faces! Wouldn't the first question asked -well, it was, wasn't it?- be about why they don such a sloppy job in the first place? The answer to that one, is, I believe, JB.

[Hardy Boy]

The main driving force was RWB in my opinion, he would never let it drop..........................................  he was making suggestions to the Police all the time, even to the point where Barlow thought he was overthinking things. 

It would be a daily family meeting, with Anne providing the others with Privvy information both from the officers and Bamber.   RWB, was into, tracking what Bamber had done in NZ, who Brett was and he was searching the bike tracks and other things.........................was it wrong of them, i think they had every reason to be dubious about Bamber,  in their view the Police wasn't doing their job correctly and the Family have been proved right on this point.  It was and is a SHIT investigation, their is no doubt about that, and if WE are aware of that, then the FAMILY would have been aware of it too.

If your honest with yourself, i would be the same if my brother and his family had been wiped out and i thought something did not add up,  i would be asking questions from the Police and if i had any knowledge to assist the Police then i would no matter how small, and if i thought the Police wasn't doing their job, i would be on them like a TON of Bricks. 

Taff in my Opinion was to blame, he hardly looked for evidence,  he wasn't their long enough, "OH i can see what happened now, Sheila was in bed, she heard someone get up, and go downstairs she got up herself and heard her Father on the phone, they had a conversation, she picked up the gun and beat him over the head and shot him" "she then went upstairs obviously with the intent of shooting the kids"..................... and  Then he left, no Patholigist was called, or ballistics called, SOCO is treating it Murder suicide, they never did a thorough search because it was all ready called a Murder suicide. 
 

[Hardy Boy]

Especially when such a huge about turn was going to leave them looking like Keystone Cops with egg on their faces! Wouldn't the first question asked -well, it was, wasn't it?- be about why they don such a sloppy job in the first place? The answer to that one, is, I believe, JB.

I agree Jane, JB had played them and TAFF fell for it.  It was hard for TAFF to change his mind once he had made the call,  he had done a shit investigation and he knew it.

[Jane]

The main driving force was RWB in my opinion, he would never let it drop..........................................  he was making suggestions to the Police all the time, even to the point where Barlow thought he was overthinking things. 

It would be a daily family meeting, with Anne providing the others with Privvy information both from the officers and Bamber.   RWB, was into, tracking what Bamber had done in NZ, who Brett was and he was searching the bike tracks and other things.........................was it wrong of them, i think they had every reason to be dubious about Bamber,  in their view the Police wasn't doing their job correctly and the Family have been proved right on this point.  It was and is a SHIT investigation, their is no doubt about that, and if WE are aware of that, then the FAMILY would have been aware of it too.

If your honest with yourself, i would be the same if my brother and his family had been wiped out and i thought something did not add up,  i would be asking questions from the Police and if i had any knowledge to assist the Police then i would no matter how small, and if i thought the Police wasn't doing their job, i would be on them like a TON of Bricks. 

Taff in my Opinion was to blame, he hardly looked for evidence,  he wasn't their long enough, "OH i can see what happened now, Sheila was in bed, she heard someone get up, and go downstairs she got up herself and heard her Father on the phone, they had a conversation, she picked up the gun and beat him over the head and shot him" "she then went upstairs obviously with the intent of shooting the kids"..................... and  Then he left, no Patholigist was called, or ballistics called, SOCO is treating it Murder suicide, they never did a thorough search because it was all ready called a Murder suicide.

And the big question remains, would they have done any of the above had JB been felt to be "one of us"? It's not his fault that he didn't fall in with their way of life -a way of life he hadn't been born into, and had little interest in, save for the financial reward which would follow. I can't imagine they'd have taken against him had he grown up showing the same enthusiasm for farming life as they had. All he ever seemed to do was pay lip service to it, and they saw through it.

[Cambridgecutie]

Oh yes, it's totally different, it mentions DVD as well.  Do you think they record it on DVD first then type it up?

I'm not sure.  I seem to recall reading something about the Portugese police wanted the interviews on DVD so they could observe body language as they would have done had they have interviewed the witnesses face-to-face. But I think its the norm now for the UK police to record all interviews both visually and aurally.  Sometimes post trial/conviction the media release video footage of police interviews.  I would imagine every interaction, not just interviews, has to be recorded like this to protect both sides. 

[Cambridgecutie]

We KNOW that it indicates Bamber 'wanted' to clarify his previous statement. Not sure why you think a statement from 2005 is relevant to a 1985 case?

We have no idea if JB initiated the statement or whether he was asked to clarify by EP.  We have no idea if the typed words are his spoken words or whether, as AE said in her statement, an officer was asking JB questions and taking notes which were subsequently drawn up into a statement.  It doesn't matter.  The point being there's a mountain of evidence the subject of the silencer was raised at the latest on the morning of 8th Aug which gave DS Jones plenty of time to work out how incriminating it could be for JB to connect him with soc.  Take away the silencer, and without any other fabrication, there would not have been a trial.

The unrelated case statement from 2005 provides a good example of the police taking a statement from a witness.  Good in terms that it is clear to all who initiated the statement, what the objectives and format are, precise words spoken by police and witness.  The paperwork in this case is very poor and open to all sorts of abuse. 

[Cambridgecutie]

😲 😲 That would mean she had gone completely grey in her 30s lol 😲 😲

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-07-26-genetic-study-provides-evidence-alcohol-accelerates-biological-aging

If I remember correctly, she once said she was in college during Jeremy's trial.

I am quite happy to meet you at a place of your choosing both wearing running gear and a head cam and we will see about my age, hair colour and the effect of alcohol on biological aging.  We will then upload to the forum.   

[Cambridgecutie]

Completely ignores my question. Why would the police, whether an individual police officer or more than one, frame someone who they didn't (or he/she) didn't suspect?

Have there been any other cases where this happens?

Surely, the police would need a reason or motive to frame someone - they (or he) wouldn't frame someone for mass murder on a whim.

And it seems you have completely ignored my answer.  The police didn't suspect JB.  The relatives could not/would not believe SC was responsible.  We all know if SC wasn't responsible then JB was.  The relatives were convinced from the off JB was responsible.  They were considered 'pillars of the community' and were able to exert undue influence on the police.  This coupled with DS Jones, who was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory, sealed JB's fate.  DS Jones reason for fabricating the silencer was his total belief in JB's guilt.  You can hear it from the horse's mouth based on his contribution to Sky's 'Killing Mum and Dad' production.

How much experience of unwitnessed mass shootings do you think DS Jones had?

[Jane]

And it seems you have completely ignored my answer.  The police didn't suspect JB.  The relatives could not/would not believe SC was responsible.  We all know if SC wasn't responsible then JB was.  The relatives were convinced from the off JB was responsible.  They were considered 'pillars of the community' and were able to exert undue influence on the police.  This coupled with DS Jones, who was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory, sealed JB's fate.  DS Jones reason for fabricating the silencer was his total belief in JB's guilt.  You can hear it from the horse's mouth based on his contribution to Sky's 'Killing Mum and Dad' production.

How much experience of unwitnessed mass shootings do you think DS Jones had?

"The police didn't suspect JB"? That's not entirely true. Those who toed the official line may not have. Some, with several years of experience under their belt -old school coppers who'd learned from the ground up, as opposed to those with degrees who started higher up, perhaps?- certainly did suspect him.

[BarefootDanC]

It's non sensical to suggest Jones and Ainsley went on a duo mission to frame Jeremy Bamber without monetary gain.

I agree that there would have to be a very substantial reward for taking such a massive risk.

If they got caught, they would go to prison for perjury, be very unpopular with other prisoners, and lose their jobs and their gold plated final salary pensions.

[Roch]

I agree that there would have to be a very substantial reward for taking such a massive risk.

If they got caught, they would go to prison for perjury, be very unpopular with other prisoners, and lose their jobs and their gold plated final salary pensions.

How many detectives are in prison for fitting people up?

[Cambridgecutie]

"The police didn't suspect JB"? That's not entirely true. Those who toed the official line may not have. Some, with several years of experience under their belt -old school coppers who'd learned from the ground up, as opposed to those with degrees who started higher up, perhaps?- certainly did suspect him.

Yes it is.  You can read it in Dr Vanezis' stats.  He states on the afternoon of 8th Aug, after all 4 pm's, he attended WHF for a meeting with all officers involved including DCI Jones and DS Jones.  The only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.

If you disagree please point us in the direction of those who diagreed by way of written testimony.