Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Hardy Boy]

Seems Detective SpecialBrew has had her accounts merged together again.

Oh right, i was reading a topic End of the road and i came accross this post?

[Hardy Boy]

That's good.  See what I mean though re it being watertight and unambigious compared to the wit stats we have here which I am sure were par for the course in the 80's.

Oh yes, it's totally different, it mentions DVD as well.  Do you think they record it on DVD first then type it up?

[Hardy Boy]

I hope not as KE and CC were not one and the same.  No more than Munska and Curiosity are. 

There's a pattern with you David of harassing middle aged women:  AE, Caroline/Zoso, Jane and myself.  This says way more about you than us!

Talking of Special Brew I will be off to a beer festival shortly.  Cheers.

Well done you Cutie, live life to the max and enjoy every day. Have one for David,  Don't think i'll engage with you till Tomorrow Afternoon though 

[Zoso]

Still does it by all accounts, must be built like a tank now!

I know he was ill for a while.

[Zoso]

Most of the statements we have here are typed and unsigned.  We do not know the format/structure of the statement giving/taking.  We know from AE's stat that AP raised the issue of the rifle, sights and silencer upon arriving at Oak Farm circa 11am on 8th Aug.  We know AP phoned Witham about this very subject and spoke with DCI Jones.  We do not know whether DCI Jones then instructed DC Clark at Bourtree to take a further statement from JB or whether JB coincidentally asked to clarify.  It makes sense it was the former.  It matters not.  There's plenty of evidence the subject of the silencer was raised at the latest early on 8th Aug which gave all those who suspected JB from the off the opportunity to consider how incriminating it could be for him if it was used to connect him with soc. 

This is what a witness statement looks like that stands up to scrutiny in terms of date/time/structure/objectives/etc:

https://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROL_TRANMER.htm

We KNOW that it indicates Bamber 'wanted' to clarify his previous statement. Not sure why you think a statement from 2005 is relevant to a 1985 case?

[Curiosity]

I know he was ill for a while.

Aren't we all?

[Roch]

I hope not as KE and CC were not one and the same.  No more than Munska and Curiosity are. 

There's a pattern with you David of harassing middle aged women:  AE, Caroline/Zoso, Jane and myself.  This says way more about you than us!

Talking of Special Brew I will be off to a beer festival shortly.  Cheers.

I thought Jane was approaching her golden years?

[David1819]

I thought Jane was approaching her golden years?

So is AE and CC 

[Roch]

So is AE and CC 

I think CC is about 46.

[David1819]

I think CC is about 46.

😲 😲 That would mean she had gone completely grey in her 30s lol 😲 😲

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2022-07-26-genetic-study-provides-evidence-alcohol-accelerates-biological-aging

If I remember correctly, she once said she was in college during Jeremy's trial.

[Roch]

They say you're as young as you feel David. Right now I feel 71.

[ILB]

56, feel 86!

[ILB]

Think my right hip is going as well now.

Pretty proud of still having a full head of hair though!

[BarefootDanC]

Show me another mass shooting in the UK where the perpertrator went unwitnessed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

There was no "they".  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory.

There was no "they" about it.  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory and he alone fabricated the silencer and secured JM's testimony.

No one thought it was JB except the relatives and DS Jones.  None of the raid team/firearms thought it was anything other than murder/suicide.  Nor did Chief Sup Harris, DCI Jones, the police surgeon or pathologist think it was anything other than murder/suicide.

Completely ignores my question. Why would the police, whether an individual police officer or more than one, frame someone who they didn't (or he/she) didn't suspect?

Have there been any other cases where this happens?

Surely, the police would need a reason or motive to frame someone - they (or he) wouldn't frame someone for mass murder on a whim.

[snow66!]

Think my right hip is going as well now.

Pretty proud of still having a full head of hair though!

I'm 58 ILB, had left hip replaced,waiting for the right to be done!
Thinning hair, front top!