Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[Adam]

SJ was relying on the relatives finding the silencer.

He was then relying on the fabricated blood being a match to Sheila"s 

He was lucky on both counts.

[Adam]

Unless CC corrects me with her narrative, she is agreeing the relatives told the truth - silencer found with blood & paint on.

However she believes SJ put the blood and paint on beforehand, rather than it arising during the massacre.

[Cambridgecutie]

Unless CC corrects me with her narrative, she is agreeing the relatives told the truth - silencer found with blood & paint on.

However she believes SJ put the blood and paint on, rather than it arising during the massacre.

I am very dubious about the state of the silencer when it was found by the relatives because:

- It was found on 10th Aug
- Afaik the only relative to make a wit stat in Aug was AE.  This was on 14th Aug and there is no mention of the silencer in any context.
- When the relatives did make stats in Sep these were contradictory with regard who saw what, when etc
- When the relatives testified at trial this again was contradictory
- When the relatives made stats for COLP these were again contradictory
- When DB has made contributions to the media over the years and discussed the silencer it was again contradictory
- Afaik none of the relatives refer to the grey hair
- DS Jones testimony contradicts the above

On the balance of probabilities I am more inclined to think DS Jones fabricated the silencer after he collected it from Oak Farm. 

[Adam]

I am very dubious about the state of the silencer when it was found by the relatives because:

- It was found on 10th Aug
- Afaik the only relative to make a wit stat in Aug was AE.  This was on 14th Aug and there is no mention of the silencer in any context.
- When the relatives did make stats in Sep these were contradictory with regard who saw what, when etc
- When the relatives testified at trial this again was contradictory
- When the relatives made stats for COLP these were again contradictory
- When DB has made contributions to the media over the years and discussed the silencer it was again contradictory
- Afaik none of the relatives refer to the grey hair
- DS Jones testimony contradicts the above

On the balance of probabilities I am more inclined to think DS Jones fabricated the silencer after he collected it from Oak Farm.

So SJ didn't fabricate the silencer prior to the relatives finding it.

What do you believe was on the silencer that the relatives thought worthy of handing to SJ?

[Cambridgecutie]

So SJ didn't fabricate the silencer prior to the relatives finding it.

I never said that.

What do you believe was on the silencer that the relatives thought worthy of handing to SJ?

If they found what was claimed why not phone EP from WHF and leave it for EP to collect?  They would probably send a patrol car with flashing lights.  Maybe even the rotund one would resurface.   

If they found what was claimed why not reiterate this to EP on the phone and why would the officer collecting not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label?

If they found what was claimed why did it take EP some 2 days to collect.  Forensic evidence deteriorates. 

[Cambridgecutie]

I never said that.

If they found what was claimed why not phone EP from WHF and leave it for EP to collect?  They would probably send a patrol car with flashing lights.  Maybe even the rotund one would resurface.   

If they found what was claimed why not reiterate this to EP on the phone and why would the officer collecting not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label?

If they found what was claimed why did it take EP some 2 days to collect.  Forensic evidence deteriorates.

And why did DS Jones collect and not one of the officers tasked with collecting exhibits eg DC Bird, DS Davidson, DI Cook?

[Adam]

I never said that.

If they found what was claimed why not phone EP from WHF and leave it for EP to collect?  They would probably send a patrol car with flashing lights.  Maybe even the rotund one would resurface.   

If they found what was claimed why not reiterate this to EP on the phone and why would the officer collecting not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label?

If they found what was claimed why did it take EP some 2 days to collect.  Forensic evidence deteriorates.

So you are saying SJ fabricated the silencer prior to the relatives finding it. So the relatives are telling the truth.

Then SJ fabricated it more after the relatives handed it in.

[Cambridgecutie]

So you are saying SJ fabricated the silencer prior to the relatives finding it. So the relatives are telling the truth.

Then SJ fabricated it more after the relatives handed it in.

Please stop twisting.

I see I am now CC and not Curiosity/CC.

I said on the balance of probabilities DS Jones fabricated the silencer AFTER collecting it from the relatives.

[BarefootDanC]

Please stop twisting.

I see I am now CC and not Curiosity/CC.

I said on the balance of probabilities DS Jones fabricated the silencer AFTER collecting it from the relatives.

In which case, it almost certainly already had blood on it.

[Adam]

Please stop twisting.

I see I am now CC and not Curiosity/CC.

I said on the balance of probabilities DS Jones fabricated the silencer AFTER collecting it from the relatives.

So what was on the silencer which the relatives thought worthy of handing into SJ?

[Cambridgecutie]

In which case, it almost certainly already had blood on it.

What makes you say this?

[Cambridgecutie]

So what was on the silencer which the relatives thought worthy of handing into SJ?

We don't know there was anything on the silencer worth handing into DS Jones.  And I've know idea why he went and not an exhibit officer.

RWB mentioned in his diary notes that the silencer should be examined for tampon fibres.  Sheila was having a period at the time of the murders.  On 9th Aug AE identified a tampon applicator in the living room at WHF.  This was clearly relayed to RWB and he came to the conclusion Bamber used the tampon to clean the silencer.  Perhaps this is the reason the relatives wanted the silencer collected and examined.

[Adam]

We don't know there was anything on the silencer worth handing into DS Jones.  And I've know idea why he went and not an exhibit officer.

RWB mentioned in his diary notes that the silencer should be examined for tampon fibres.  Sheila was having a period at the time of the murders.  On 9th Aug AE identified a tampon applicator in the living room at WHF.  This was clearly relayed to RWB and he came to the conclusion Bamber used the tampon to clean the silencer.  Perhaps this is the reason the relatives wanted the silencer collected and examined.

So the relatives handed in a silencer with nothing on. RB suggesting it should be examined for tampon fibres.

The results then say there was human blood and paint on the silencer. Due to SJ's fabrication.

SJ then asks the relatives to say they found the silencer with human blood & paint on. They agree.

[Cambridgecutie]

Its pretty much set out in RWB's diary notes:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,246.msg1557.html#msg1557

[Cambridgecutie]

So the relatives handed in a silencer with nothing on. RB suggesting it should be examined for tampon fibres.

The results then say there was human blood and paint on the silencer. Due to SJ's fabrication.

SJ then asks the relatives to say they found the silencer with human blood & paint on. They agree.

Why did AE not mention the finding of the silencer, blood, paint, scratches and hair in her 14th Aug wit stat?