Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall

[Hardy Boy]

I don't believe 2 styles prevents it being straight forward 

Your video & Bamber's extensive knowledge of the area confirms it would be easy.

He told Julie he thought it would take 15 minutes.

No that makes four styles in total, so he has to get off his bike, lift 20kg bike over the style and climb over the style himself and get on bike again and start cycling four times, what Wilkinson didn't take in to consideration, a Ladies bike has no cross member to assist any lift, a ladies bike doesn't have a cross member so that Ladies can put their feet to the floor and not hurt themselves between the legs, also the Ladies bike would have been heavier than his, also the ladies bike would have had a  much longer wheelbase than his making it more clumsy to lift over a style and of course a ladies bike would have been much slower to ride than his.

[Adam]

No that makes four styles in total, so he has to get off his bike, lift 20kg bike over the style and climb over the style himself and get on bike again and start cycling four times, what Wilkinson didn't take in to consideration, a Ladies bike has no cross member to assist any lift, a ladies bike doesn't have a cross member so that Ladies can put their feet to the floor and not hurt themselves between the legs, also the Ladies bike would have been heavier than his, also the ladies bike would have had a  much longer wheelbase than his making it more clumsy to lift over a style and of course a ladies bike would have been much slower to ride than his.

Two styles there. Two back.

Styles are put on foot/cycle paths. As your photo shows.

In 1985 June's bike was perfectly adequate for the job. He's not going to buy a BMX & say it's for Julie.

[ILB]

Adam talks like he's a frequent visitor.

Despite also stating he has never been there.

[Adam]

Wilkinson said the styles were 'easy to negotiate'.

[Hardy Boy]

Wilkinson said the styles were 'easy to negotiate'.

I know and i did put that in my 998 post, but the styles  would be easier with his bike, a ladies bike has NO cross member  [top tube] to lift from and it would be heavier.

[Adam]

I know and i did put that in my 998 post, but the styles  would be easier with his bike, a ladies bike has NO cross member  [top tube] to lift from and it would be heavier.

I'm sure a 24 year old farmer could lift June's bike. He gave a 15 stone Nevill 40+ injuries!

[Cambridgecutie]

This is not a public right of way so it's very unlikely to be cycle friendly. It's why I have always said he walked.

Whether something is a public right of way or not does not affect its suitability to cycle.  Bridleways and byways can be easy or hard to cycle on.  Private roads can be easy or hard to cycle on.  All depends on the maintenance in the years prior to cycling on that particular road/path or whatever. 

Often footpaths can be better for a cyclist because bridleways can be churned up by horses, and byways can sometimes be totally destroyed by cars.  But they are still always negotiable by bike.

Obviously it is illegal to cycle on a footpath, but that wouldn't have mattered for Bamber.

But to travel 3-4 miles from A to B on off-road terrain is easy.  Even if you have to push the bike part of the way.  And that would only be for short distances. And that would be rare.

Negotiating styles on footpaths with a bike is simple and relatively easy. 

There are many ways to negotiate a set of styles on a bike, including throwing the bike over the styles (yes, I have done it).

Usually what I do is to lift the bike up over my side of the styles and rest the bike on the lower part on the other side, and just let the bike fall.

I've just looked at the map, and there's pretty much a footpath that goes in a straight line from Goldhanger to Pages Lane.  There's some risk going through a couple of farms, but then Bamber is a risk taker, with no real sense of the consequences of his actions. There is a clump of forest nearby, and he could just walk the bike though that.

And then there is the sea wall way, which also looks easy.

I've never been bothered about how Bamber got to and from WHF, because I know there would be many ways and routes long and short between the two places, and Bamber could choose whatever he wanted to, being someone who had lived there all his life.

But looking at the route between the two places, it couldn't be easier.  The two most obvious routes are both very simple to negotiate.

There are many more routes he could have taken, and there is a footpath that goes into WHF itself.  There is a convoluted route back to Goldhanger, which he could have taken.  But if it were me, I'd have taken the direct route and walked around the farms, or taken the sea wall route.

[Hardy Boy]

Whether something is a public right of way or not does not affect its suitability to cycle.  Bridleways and byways can be easy or hard to cycle on.  Private roads can be easy or hard to cycle on.  All depends on the maintenance in the years prior to cycling on that particular road/path or whatever. 

Often footpaths can be better for a cyclist because bridleways can be churned up by horses, and byways can sometimes be totally destroyed by cars.  But they are still always negotiable by bike.

Obviously it is illegal to cycle on a footpath, but that wouldn't have mattered for Bamber.

But to travel 3-4 miles from A to B on off-road terrain is easy.  Even if you have to push the bike part of the way.  And that would only be for short distances. And that would be rare.

Negotiating styles on footpaths with a bike is simple and relatively easy. 

There are many ways to negotiate a set of styles on a bike, including throwing the bike over the styles (yes, I have done it).

Usually what I do is to lift the bike up over my side of the styles and rest the bike on the lower part on the other side, and just let the bike fall.

I've just looked at the map, and there's pretty much a footpath that goes in a straight line from Goldhanger to Pages Lane.  There's some risk going through a couple of farms, but then Bamber is a risk taker, with no real sense of the consequences of his actions. There is a clump of forest nearby, and he could just walk the bike though that.

And then there is the sea wall way, which also looks easy.

I've never been bothered about how Bamber got to and from WHF, because I know there would be many ways and routes long and short between the two places, and Bamber could choose whatever he wanted to, being someone who had lived there all his life.

But looking at the route between the two places, it couldn't be easier.  The two most obvious routes are both very simple to negotiate.

There are many more routes he could have taken, and there is a footpath that goes into WHF itself.  There is a convoluted route back to Goldhanger, which he could have taken.  But if it were me, I'd have taken the direct route and walked around the farms, or taken the sea wall route.

You don't mind possibly damaging your wheels, pedals, spokes and scratching your frame then?  Just throw the bike over and hope for the best.

[Adam]

Whether something is a public right of way or not does not affect its suitability to cycle.  Bridleways and byways can be easy or hard to cycle on.  Private roads can be easy or hard to cycle on.  All depends on the maintenance in the years prior to cycling on that particular road/path or whatever. 

Often footpaths can be better for a cyclist because bridleways can be churned up by horses, and byways can sometimes be totally destroyed by cars.  But they are still always negotiable by bike.

Obviously it is illegal to cycle on a footpath, but that wouldn't have mattered for Bamber.

But to travel 3-4 miles from A to B on off-road terrain is easy.  Even if you have to push the bike part of the way.  And that would only be for short distances. And that would be rare.

Negotiating styles on footpaths with a bike is simple and relatively easy. 

There are many ways to negotiate a set of styles on a bike, including throwing the bike over the styles (yes, I have done it).

Usually what I do is to lift the bike up over my side of the styles and rest the bike on the lower part on the other side, and just let the bike fall.

I've just looked at the map, and there's pretty much a footpath that goes in a straight line from Goldhanger to Pages Lane.  There's some risk going through a couple of farms, but then Bamber is a risk taker, with no real sense of the consequences of his actions. There is a clump of forest nearby, and he could just walk the bike though that.

And then there is the sea wall way, which also looks easy.

I've never been bothered about how Bamber got to and from WHF, because I know there would be many ways and routes long and short between the two places, and Bamber could choose whatever he wanted to, being someone who had lived there all his life.

But looking at the route between the two places, it couldn't be easier.  The two most obvious routes are both very simple to negotiate.

There are many more routes he could have taken, and there is a footpath that goes into WHF itself.  There is a convoluted route back to Goldhanger, which he could have taken.  But if it were me, I'd have taken the direct route and walked around the farms, or taken the sea wall route.

That straight line is the prosecution route. The property you refer to is Wyke Farm.

There is another farm track before this one which leads onto Pages Lane via a right turn.  This also looks easy to cycle & avoids Wyke Farm.

[Cambridgecutie]

You don't mind possibly damaging your wheels, pedals, spokes and scratching your frame then?  Just throw the bike over and hope for the best.

No, I don't care much about my bikes.  I cycle all the time, but I'm not a lycra clad cyclist.  I poodle along country lanes, and cycle tour.  When a bike breaks down I'll throw it away and buy a new one. My current bike is 10 years old and cost 167 pounds in Halfords in a sale.  I always buy the cheapest bike, then it doesn't matter if it gets damaged, scratched or stolen. 

[Adam]

The style in Hardy Boy's photo looks just over waist height.

I am sure Bamber could lift June's bike that high.

[Hardy Boy]

The style in Hardy Boy's photo looks just over waist height.

I am sure Bamber could lift June's bike that high.

Im not saying he can’t Adam, going by road he doesn’t have these obstacles there and back, the photo’s are recent so it could have been different in 85?  Personally at that time I would have gone with CALS option by road, undercover of Darkness, but what I do know, lifting my wife’s Victoria Pendleton over a style took two of us compared to my 10.4kg Boardman bike and I certainly wouldn’t be throwing it over that is for sure.

[Adam]

Im not saying he can’t Adam, going by road he doesn’t have these obstacles there and back, the photo’s are recent so it could have been different in 85?  Personally at that time I would have gone with CALS option by road, undercover of Darkness, but what I do know, lifting my wife’s Victoria Pendleton over a style took two of us compared to my 10.4kg Boardman bike and I certainly wouldn’t be throwing it over that is for sure.

I agree he could lift June's bike over a waist high style.

A style would not deter me if wanting to cycle a route that avoided the main roads. Which was the prosecution case.

[Rob_]

Rob & ILB are entitled to throw the kitchen sink at Bamber's 20 minute cycle ride. However they must provide a source for all claims.

I dismissed 3 claims from them yesterday.

I will ask twice for a source.

How about we meet Adam at night on similar conditions to what JB had? you do the cycle ride in darkness and you have to meet someone else at pages lane to confirm you have not cheated and do the return trip back to me within 40 minutes?

You can walk the route in daylight so you know every inch of the route, shall we have a friendly bet?

If the bike come back covered in crap you also fail.

[ILB]

Adams one source used night vision goggles.

The author then later took the article down
 Not surprised.