Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall

[Adam]

How about we meet Adam at night on similar conditions to what JB had? you do the cycle ride in darkness and you have to meet someone else at pages lane to confirm you have not cheated and do the return trip back to me within 40 minutes?

You can walk the route in daylight so you know every inch of the route, shall we have a friendly bet?

If the bike come back covered in crap you also fail.

You and ILB are entitled to throw the kitchen sink at an easy 20 minute cycle ride.

But you must provide a source on any claims. Preferably without a request from me.

Don't just make up things as they will only get dismissed.

ILB also needs to stop denying things that are online. 

[Adam]

Hardy Boy posted what he believed was an obstacle yesterday - Bamber had to cycle on foot/cycle paths and lift a bike over 2 waist high styles. 

The difference here is he backed up this with photos.

I still disagree that Bamber cycling on foot/cycle paths & having to lift June's bike waist height would deter him cycling the prosecution route.

[Adam]

Yvonne said insects being on Bamber's route would be an obstacle.

She didn't supply a source however it is common knowledge that insects would be on the ground.

I don't believe insects on the ground would deter Bamber from cycling the prosecution route.

[Cambridgecutie]

How about we meet Adam at night on similar conditions to what JB had? you do the cycle ride in darkness and you have to meet someone else at pages lane to confirm you have not cheated and do the return trip back to me within 40 minutes?

You can walk the route in daylight so you know every inch of the route, shall we have a friendly bet?

If the bike come back covered in crap you also fail.

The thing is that on the night of the murders Jeremy Bamber would have been highly motivated.

He would have had plenty of energy to cycle along a bumpy off road track and deal with any problems as they arose.

You can't recreate that 40 years later with different people, and expect them to behave in exactly the same way.

And it will never change the reality.

Trying to win an argument in this way is just a very childish thing to do, and changes nothing.

[ILB]

The thing is that on the night of the murders Jeremy Bamber would have been highly motivated.

He would have had plenty of energy to cycle along a bumpy off road track and deal with any problems as they arose.

You can't recreate that 40 years later with different people, and expect them to behave in exactly the same way.

And it will never change the reality.

Trying to win an argument in this way is just a very childish thing to do, and changes nothing.

Killingeve just come out with it and say you have an agenda against Bamber.

I understand guilters but you make Adam look like a Bamber fanboy

[ILB]

Trying to win an argument in this way is just a very childish thing to do, and changes nothing.

Who on the forum is trying to win an argument ?

We all just have a vivid interest in the case. None of this goes to a legal setting. I'm sure all members are aware of the fact.

[Rob_]

The thing is that on the night of the murders Jeremy Bamber would have been highly motivated.

He would have had plenty of energy to cycle along a bumpy off road track and deal with any problems as they arose.

You can't recreate that 40 years later with different people, and expect them to behave in exactly the same way.

And it will never change the reality.

Trying to win an argument in this way is just a very childish thing to do, and changes nothing.

It's not childish, if someone cannot travel the route under no pressure in the time they claim Bamber did it in then it's a problem that should have been addressed at trail. It's not just the cycle ride it's everything else he had to do.

Every time Bamber hears something he would have to dismount and duck down etc. He would have been under severe stress and pressure.

[Rob_]

Yvonne said insects being on Bamber's route would be an obstacle.

She didn't supply a source however it is common knowledge that insects would be on the ground.

I don't believe insects on the ground would deter Bamber from cycling the prosecution route.

I have come back from walks smothered in stuff Adam, you have never been on a walk apart from going to the chippy?

[Adam]

The thing is that on the night of the murders Jeremy Bamber would have been highly motivated.

He would have had plenty of energy to cycle along a bumpy off road track and deal with any problems as they arose.

You can't recreate that 40 years later with different people, and expect them to behave in exactly the same way.

And it will never change the reality.

Trying to win an argument in this way is just a very childish thing to do, and changes nothing.

It is true that Bamber would be highly motivated.

That is why I do not believe if some of The Sea Wall or Farm Tracks were uneven, that would deter him.

[Adam]

I have come back from walks smothered in stuff Adam, you have never been on a walk apart from going to the chippy?

Bamber wasn't walking.

[Adam]

It's not childish, if someone cannot travel the route under no pressure in the time they claim Bamber did it in then it's a problem that should have been addressed at trail. It's not just the cycle ride it's everything else he had to do.

Every time Bamber hears something he would have to dismount and duck down etc. He would have been under severe stress and pressure.

What would he hear Worzel Gummidge?

Bamber was under no time constraints. There or back.

[Rob_]

What would he hear Worzel Gummidge?

Bamber was under no time constraints. There or back.

Then stop going on about the 20 minutes if it does not matter, the problem is time does matter Adam 

We all know Bamber thought calls could be traced, which is why you have him on a cycle at night with no lights. If time was not important you would say he went on foot.

[Adam]

Then stop going on about the 20 minutes if it does not matter, the problem is time does matter Adam 

We all know Bamber thought calls could be traced, which is why you have him on a cycle at night with no lights. If time was not important you would say he went on foot.

How do you know what Bamber thought.

I have given the cycle ride a generous 20 minutes. Although he told Julie he thought it would take 15 minutes.

[Rob_]

How do you know what Bamber thought.

I have given the cycle ride a generous 20 minutes. Although he told Julie he thought it would take 15 minutes.

If Julie knew something damming known only to Bamber I would be very interested, but she knows nothing that could not be learned from general over hearing and chit chat.

[Cambridgecutie]

It is true that Bamber would be highly motivated.

That is why I do not believe if some of The Sea Wall or Farm Tracks were uneven, that would deter him.

I spend as much spare time as I can, cycling around countrylanes and bridleways and byways.  I carry my bike over styles, fences and god knows what dozens of times a year.

This whole thing is a non issue.

Bamber had 3 valid choices...

Drive, walk, bike.

Walking would take the longest time, so probably not that.

Driving was the least discreet, so probably not that.

Cycling was reasonably inconspicuous, and relatively quick.  And you can always get off and walk.  So probably that.

He could of used any of the above three and not have been seen, but he probably used a bike.

Nothing else could ever prove or disprove any of that. 

He admits to taking his mothers bike to Goldhanger a few days before the murders.  So the bike scenario is plausible.

Hanging out with an angry bloke from an internet forum under the cover of darkness is not something I'd recommend.