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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2023, 08:58:PM »
Two minutes and forty seconds!
If I remember correctly,that is how long it took to walk from Jodi's house down to the entrance to RDP.

So if stocky man existed,there are three options,1 He was a nutter waiting outside the house for Jodi to leave and immediately tailed her. 2 He just happened to be walking down the road as Jodi left her house and was innocently walking close behind her.
How do you know if someone is being followed or not anyway?
Or 3.You go with Scott Forbes scenario.

Anyway,point being the witnesses only had a few minutes in entirety to observe Jodi and stocky man,and to somehow come to the conclusion that Jodi was being stalked by stocky man!

He was the stocky stalky man,as it were!
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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2023, 09:18:PM »
Two minutes and forty seconds!
If I remember correctly,that is how long it took to walk from Jodi's house down to the entrance to RDP.

So if stocky man existed,there are three options,1 He was a nutter waiting outside the house for Jodi to leave and immediately tailed her. 2 He just happened to be walking down the road as Jodi left her house and was innocently walking close behind her.
How do you know if someone is being followed or not anyway?
Or 3.You go with Scott Forbes scenario.

Anyway,point being the witnesses only had a few minutes in entirety to observe Jodi and stocky man.


the distance they were she must of known he was behind her but dident seem at all bothered that sugests to me she knew him

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2023, 09:56:PM »

the distance they were she must of known he was behind her but dident seem at all bothered that sugests to me she knew him
Can I take it you are going with option 3 then nugnug?

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2023, 10:10:PM »
So,if stocky man was indeed the killer and he hit Jodi over the head with a stick or branch,he was therefore the Stocky,Stalky,Sticky man!

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #19 on: December 27, 2023, 10:15:PM »
Can I take it you are going with option 3 then nugnug?

How about this for a plausible scenario.

JJ is waiting at East houses when approached by the killer. He says he is lost. They strike up a conversation. His story is plausible. She says she is waiting for her boyfriend. He knows the path and the V. He needs to Walk the path to Newbattle. Whatever is said over say a two minute chat he appears kind and gentle. She says she is not to walk the path alone. She tells him to walk the path. He says he will accompany her and she can show him the V where he can cut through and walk across the field to get back to his destination. She feels no threat from him and they set off together. As they approach the V he strikes her on the back of the head maybe with a brick from the wall. He carries/manipulates her over the V and hides her body after tying her up and killing her.



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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2023, 10:38:PM »
How about this for a plausible scenario.

JJ is waiting at East houses when approached by the killer. He says he is lost. They strike up a conversation. His story is plausible. She says she is waiting for her boyfriend. He knows the path and the V. He needs to Walk the path to Newbattle. Whatever is said over say a two minute chat he appears kind and gentle. She says she is not to walk the path alone. She tells him to walk the path. He says he will accompany her and she can show him the V where he can cut through and walk across the field to get back to his destination. She feels no threat from him and they set off together. As they approach the V he strikes her on the back of the head maybe with a brick from the wall. He carries/manipulates her over the V and hides her body after tying her up and killing her.
Yes,possibly Bubo,you said this today already.

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2023, 10:41:PM »
Can I take it you are going with option 3 then nugnug?

not necasrly i think it was somone  she knew though becouse i  cant see her being so layed back about a stranger following her


thats why i think its rather unlikely that it was the italian serial killer
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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2023, 11:16:PM »
not necasrly i think it was somone  she knew though becouse i  cant see her being so layed back about a stranger following her


thats why i think its rather unlikely that it was the italian serial killer
Well maybe it was just an innocent bystander following her then nugnug,a neighbour possibly who just appeared to be tailing her with no connection to her murder?

But that doesn't rule out the possibility that Restivo was skulking about on the path or in the woods waiting for the first suitable victim to come along,does it?
Simply in the wrong place at the right time as Bubo put it.

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2023, 11:41:PM »
Well maybe it was just an innocent bystander following her then nugnug,a neighbour possibly who just appeared to be tailing her with no connection to her murder?

But that doesn't rule out the possibility that Restivo was skulking about on the path or in the woods waiting for the first suitable victim to come along,does it?
Simply in the wrong place at the right time as Bubo put it.

possbly but the trouble is followed her into a place that she was later killed at 

and if you belive the proscutions time of death she was killed less than an hour  after hes seen follwingg her

so hes following her onto the murder scene at roughly the time the murder is supposed to have happend.
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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2023, 11:52:PM »
possbly but the trouble is followed her into a place that she was later killed at 

and if you belive the proscutions time of death she was killed less than an hour  after hes seen follwingg her

so hes following her onto the murder scene at roughly the time the murder is supposed to have happend.
Are you saying the witnesses said stocky man followed Jodi right into the path nugnug?
If so I was not aware of this.That would change things.

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2023, 11:55:PM »
Yes,possibly Bubo,you said this today already.
A good story is worth re-telling. I wonder whether JJ's picture was on his lap top like Erika Ansermin who disappeared about 70 days before JJ's murder. Has it been checked?

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2023, 12:26:AM »
A good story is worth re-telling. I wonder whether JJ's picture was on his lap top like Erika Ansermin who disappeared about 70 days before JJ's murder. Has it been checked?
Good point Bubo,that would indeed be a breakthrough!
No doubt the police still have his computer.

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2023, 03:22:PM »
A good story is worth re-telling. I wonder whether JJ's picture was on his lap top like Erika Ansermin who disappeared about 70 days before JJ's murder. Has it been checked?

well stranger things hae happendd im still a bit sceptical though is there anything to link this guy with dalkieth

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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2023, 03:58:PM »
well stranger things hae happendd im still a bit sceptical though is there anything to link this guy with dalkieth
Nothing more than all the other places in Europe where murders are thought to have been committed by him.

Restivo's conviction yesterday for Heather Barnett's murder brings to a close an extraordinary story, but many mysteries remain. Some observers are convinced that a compulsive, psychotic killer such as Restivo must have commited more murders between 1993 and 2002. Over the years he has been linked to many other deaths, particularly to a series of brutal murders in southern France and Spain. In September 1997 a young French-Algerian woman from Perpignan, Moktharia Chaib, was stabbed and her breasts, as well as other body parts, removed. Marie Hélène Gonzalez had, in 1998, been brutally mutilated, having disappeared in Perpignan. In 1999, in Puerto de Alcuida, Majorca, a British woman called Yvonne O'Brien was stabbed 40 times and one of her breasts was removed. On Easter Day 2003 a South Korean woman adopted by an Italian family, Erika Ansermin, disappeared. Her body has never been found but a photograph of her, downloaded from an Italian news channel, was found on Restivo's computer.

His first murder was Elisa Claps in Italy As a child he tied two children to chairs and attacked them with a knife but it was hushed up and settled out of court. It was the discovery of Claps body mummified in a church that set the ball rolling for the conviction of Heather Barnet in Dorset in 2002.

There is a significant diaspora of Italians in Scotland. He may have had friends. I believe his wife may have had family in Scotland but I may be wrong.

You should look at this guy more closely nugnug. Just put in his name to find a mountain of information about him.

His MO is pretty clear.

IS IT WORTH A CHECK

Where EXACTLY was Danilo Restivo on the evening of 30/06/03?

Similarities between the Heather Barnett murder (12/11/2002) and that of Jodie Jones (30/06/2003).

1 Head wounds; both had blunt force injuries to the back of the head with no weapon found, though a hammer was attributed in HB’s case. However the pathologist in the Jones case said it could also have been made by forcing her head against something hard like a wall.

2 Neck wounds; both suffered massive mutilation injuries with a bladed weapon to the neck area almost severing the head.

3 Breast area; both had been mutilated in this area. Barnett’s were fully removed. Jones’s left breast had been attacked.

4 Both crime scenes had evidence of a struggle before death.

5 Clothes; both victims had their clothes cut off.

6 Elements of symmetry/quirkiness; it is said that HB’s incised breasts were placed either side of her head. Jodie’s brassiere cups were placed one inside the other.

7 Hair; HB had some of her hair placed by one hand with the hair of another woman next to the other. Jodie had some of her hair pulled out and some of her hair was around her fingers. The uncovered body overnight with rain may be a factor either as a cause or adjuster of volume or positioning. It seems to me from pictures that all three women had auburn hair.

Danilo Restivo tied up his first victim the Italian Alisa Claps and Jodie was tied up. He was also suspected of tying up two children and cutting one with a knife. Settled out of court in Italy when he was younger.

Part of my reasoning for him as JJ's killer is that he may have wanted to conduct a similar murder to that of Heather Barnett to shift suspicion he was under in Dorset by murdering elsewhere with a similar MO having created an alibi for the killing of JJ. It is possible that the Dorset and Scottish police forces were not in communication at the time of JJ's murder because the Dorset police had shifted their attention from DR to HB's ex by 2003. It is unlikely that the Scottish police were following the HB case because it was not UK wide news in 2003 and was still under investigation.
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Re: yes the stocky man does exist
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2023, 04:53:PM »
trouble is you have linking him to the area at the moment we have no evdence that he was in scotland at the time let alone dalkieth if we could the rough area of were he was at the time it would we dont have to know the eact place but roughly were he was