just for a laugh

[Bubo bubo]

That is why I think a coherent scenario should have been produced by the prosecution,this was a murder charge after all.
Have you ever seen any specific routes put forward from the murder scene to Lukes house Bubo?

No. All the police had to do was to present a believable story which in circumstantial based cases is all that is required. There is no forensic evidence and even the knife when they had it, would have yielded evidence particularly where the blade meets the handle. Microscopic amounts would have been detectable IMO. Even the coroner thought LM was not likely to be the perpetrator.

In all cases it is up to the prosecution to tell their story to the Jury. The problem was that it was so well publicised in the tabloid press that he had already been primed as the killer. As I have just posted it is virtually impossible for the defence to argue an alternative scenario given the evidence presented.

It is possible to advance a motive but means and opportunity are more difficult to nail down. That is why I take the view that innocent or guilty it is a travesty of true justice.

I am not sure why the police thought a 14 year old could plan and execute such a murder and did not examine whether an unknown third party may have been involved.

[David1819]

That is why I think a coherent scenario should have been produced by the prosecution,this was a murder charge after all.
Have you ever seen any specific routes put forward from the murder scene to Lukes house Bubo?

Why is a route important? Its less than four streets away. He went from his home to the murder scene to "find" the body. Nobody can dispute he could not have got there and back.

murder scene (yellow arrow)

Lukes street (Red pin)

Jodis street (Blue arrow)

[Parky41]

Why is a route important? Its less than four streets away. He went from his home to the murder scene to "find" the body. Nobody can dispute he could not have got there and back.

murder scene (yellow arrow)

Lukes street (Red pin)

Jodis street (Blue arrow)

The locus was much further to the left than where you have the yellow arrow. Probably around where the image of corn field stops and green area. It was in the bottom qtr.

[snow66!]

Why is a route important? Its less than four streets away. He went from his home to the murder scene to "find" the body. Nobody can dispute he could not have got there and back.

murder scene (yellow arrow)

Lukes street (Red pin)

Jodis street (Blue arrow)

The route is very important if there isn't a crossing over the river on the other side of the road Dave. The opposite side of the road from RDP. And dont tell me he used a dinghy or Tarzan rope to cross it.Confirm if there was a crossing and I will tell you why this is important,although you already know why Dave.
Parky is reluctant to confirm there was a crossing on that side.

[David1819]

The route is very important if there isn't a crossing over the river on the other side of the road Dave. The opposite side of the road from RDP. And dont tell me he used a dinghy or Tarzan rope to cross it.Confirm if there was a crossing and I will tell you why this is important,although you already know why Dave.
Parky is reluctant to confirm there was a crossing on that side.

You can literally see roads from his street to the murder scene. He didn't need a "dinghy or Tarzan rope" to find the body nor did he ever use those things to visit that place before.

[nugnug]

The route is very important if there isn't a crossing over the river on the other side of the road Dave. The opposite side of the road from RDP. And dont tell me he used a dinghy or Tarzan rope to cross it.Confirm if there was a crossing and I will tell you why this is important,although you already know why Dave.
Parky is reluctant to confirm there was a crossing on that side.

how he could of got back without being seen considring  he wouldof had blood all over him is another point i think the noughbers might of noticed.

[snow66!]

how he could of got back without being seen considring  he wouldof had blood all over him is another point i think the noughbers might of noticed.

Well this all comes under the same category nugnug,but we need to know if there was a crossing over the river Esk or not.
If there was a crossing over the river on the other side why didn't the police point this out?
Did they point this out?
Crossing or no crossing,surely somebody knows?

[Parky41]

Well this all comes under the same category nugnug,but we need to know if there was a crossing over the river Esk or not.
If there was a crossing over the river on the other side why didn't the police point this out?
Did they point this out?
Crossing or no crossing,surely somebody knows?

I have already said that people from the housing estate confirmed access points over the river. I have pointed out that lane that runs all the way through to the A7. Bringing him over a bridge you can see - It doesn't matter, for there is no way the silly laddie did it anyway.

That silly laddie was caught. He had one road to cross and caught doing so, bad luck for him, good fortune for other lives that may have been lost. That is how things stand.

So could not have been the silly laddie with all that evidence pointing to him - No siree.

Work me through it, each and every scenario, taken into account the following. The attack commenced NW of the V break in that wall, so not behind it, some distance from it ok. It ended 43ft W of it, so NW - SW. Now remember there is no evidence, not a snifter of any evidence, of any altercation taken place anywhere else. The distance from the lane, where the wall is broken away completely, is a 5min walk. A little more if walking the path. Scrub the ban, scrub anything you like. And explain how anyone got that girl from the lane, or the path from the V break to the point where the attack commenced.

Use your stocky man, who was seen by the way, N of the Jones house, not walking into any path, some distance back from it, as was the girl who they thought could "possibly" have been Jodi around 5pm that day (It wasn't, but go for it). 

[snow66!]

I have already said that people from the housing estate confirmed access points over the river. I have pointed out that lane that runs all the way through to the A7. Bringing him over a bridge you can see - It doesn't matter, for there is no way the silly laddie did it anyway.

That silly laddie was caught. He had one road to cross and caught doing so, bad luck for him, good fortune for other lives that may have been lost. That is how things stand.

So could not have been the silly laddie with all that evidence pointing to him - No siree.

Work me through it, each and every scenario, taken into account the following. The attack commenced NW of the V break in that wall, so not behind it, some distance from it ok. It ended 43ft W of it, so NW - SW. Now remember there is no evidence, not a snifter of any evidence, of any altercation taken place anywhere else. The distance from the lane, where the wall is broken away completely, is a 5min walk. A little more if walking the path. Scrub the ban, scrub anything you like. And explain how anyone got that girl from the lane, or the path from the V break to the point where the attack commenced.

Use your stocky man, who was seen by the way, N of the Jones house, not walking into any path, some distance back from it, as was the girl who they thought could "possibly" have been Jodi around 5pm that day (It wasn't, but go for it).

OK,so you are confirming there were access points across the river on the Newbattle Abbey Crecsent side of the road Parky?
You know this is a very important question,because LM would not have crossed over to that side of the road with the risk of being seen if there wasn't an access point across the river.He couldn't have swam or waded across or his clothes would have been dripping wet and could not have been burned.Besides,it isn't easy swimming fully clothed with a parka jacket.

Any confirmation of crossings on that side of the road would be appreciated.Seems funny this is never mentioned.
Surely the likes of Scott Forbes or Sandra Lean would have checked these routes out? And what about the police,surely they checked for crossings? Surely. I know its the first thing I would have done,checked out the possible routes back to Lukes house and timed them.
I simply cant understand why the routes aren't widely known and discussed,cant understand it at all.
Will continue looking for links to this issue.

[snow66!]

Yes,very important that, very important.
If there's no crossing on that side of the road then there was no reason for LM to cross over and be seen by Fleming and Walsh,while trying to sneak home unseen,no reason at all.
Thats why I think its very important indeed to know where these crossings are and if they do indeed exist.
Or at least did exist in 2003.
Dont you think this is an important point?

You see,its allright saying that LM had the time to carry out the murder,but that isn't quite enough for me, the sightings by witnesses have to make sense.For example,there had to be a reason why LM crossed the road and stood by the gate where he was seen by F/W at 5.45.
We are told he was crossing to go through the woods and home,so I would just like to know where he crossed the river,just to get a complete scenario.
Dont you all want to know where he crossed too?

[nugnug]

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[ngb1066]

oh its even got   a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/InnocenceFraudWatch/

I see she is not one of your fans!  At least you are not Billy Middleton any more

[nugnug]

I see she is not one of your fans!  At least you are not Billy Middleton any more

omg im famoue or infamous one of the 2