Luke's Address

[Parky41]

Wow now you are accusing Snow with examples that are not contained in his post and putting a different slant on both our positions. I take exception to such blatant misrepresentation. Any more of this and I will report you to the moderators. If you wish to criticise our positions quote the post and highlight the bits with which you take issue. Yor latest post comes across as a 'rant' rather than serious debate.

I'm sure they can speak for themselves, you certainly are majorly aggrieved. Again, dishing whatever out but have serious problems when criticism is returned.

Are you saying I am wrong? - My post was to do with lies in response to your attack of my speaking a lot about lies. You asked for examples. I explained and I gave examples. The response from both of you was in line with not really caring about any lies, they did nothing about Mitchell's/guilt innocence. My post was about self interest and not proving guilt/interest. Need I go on?

I think you need to calm down a little, take a breath and go through your responses. If you want debate then do so adultly, and not instantly diving in and mocking someone when they first returned to post here. I get the feeling this is more to do with whom I am highlighting as liars more than anything else. If this is personal to you then I apologize.

[snow66!]

I am reading Alan Towers trial evidence at the moment,it gives a detailed account of Lukes statement for 27-30th june. Will comment on it later on.

In the mean time,dont blow a fuse anyone!
Has any of you read Towers statement yet?
See you later!

[snow66!]

Well,we only have the trial transcript of the prosecution questioning Alan Towers in the mean time.
Its mainly to do with Luke omiting his calls to Jodis house at 5.32 and 5.38.Although Luke must have known that Alan Ovens would talk about the 5.38 call anyway.
Oh before I go any further,in case you dont know who Alan Towers is,he seems to be one of the police officers who took Luke from the school to the police station in the small hours after the murder.and was the first to take a statement from Luke.

It seems Luke also got the time wrong when he phoned David High,he told Towers it was about 6.00 o'clock,when in actual fact it was 6.32,an hour after Luke claims he left the house.
Also,because Alan Ovens told Luke that Jodi had left the prosecution made a big deal about Luke saying he thought she had changed her mind about meeting up.
So,there you are,but as I say we dont have the defence examination of Towers yet.

[snow66!]

Don't play silly beggars now. The post was in response as to why one spoke a lot of lies. Interesting that both of you however have absolutely no problem with liars, because you see no wrong in using innocents, lying about them, whilst those lying, on the other hand are claiming to be truth and Justice seekers. Nothing to do with whether the lies have any bearing on proving guilt or innocence legally, and everything to do with lying, plain and simple.

You (one of you), has already made it abundantly clear that you accept fully every lie that Mitchell told, brushing them off with, who cares, wouldn't you lie, get rid of knives etc if a suspect in a murder. Just because he was a compulsive liar does not make him a murderer, that kind of attitude.  For a lot of them (lies) it clearly did, he is serving 20yrs and more in prison. One could hardly tell the truth around a lot of things when he was acting from self interest, to cover up the murder that had taken place.

Which formed the basis of the post, that of self interest. An actual liar, proven liar, attempting to place self interest in others by telling multiple lies themselves. Which shows who it is that has actually been acting out of self interest, peddling lies to gain support for a compulsive liar and convicted murderer.

Dog and wall - And? But as you have again shown, so what if he was lying, who cares, does not show he knew where the body was. 4 people and one of them, only one of them, gives a false account of where the dog was at the wall, omitting the Gino break entirely from his first account. Has them all well past the V break, claiming this is where his dog alerted him, showing him the way to go. - Did not happen, no dog showed him where to go, he knew where to go. The dog only went with him to the V break and not past, this is what DF could never show from any statement because it did not happen. But again, you are correct, so what, who cares if someone lied repeatedly out of self interest - Thank goodness the Jury did.

Ah,so it is Luke Mitchell you mostly accuse of lying then Parky?
Well that makes perfect sense if he is guilty.If Mitchell is guilty then obviously he lied about killing Jodi and has continued to do so ever since,that goes without saying.
And seeing you are totally convinced of Mitchells guilt,it also goes without saying that you regard him as a compulsive liar.And thats fair enough,makes sense.

But for those of us who doubt LM's guilt,we are obviously willing to believe that his version of events may just be the truth.And if we believe that LM is telling the truth then we may have to doubt some of the evidence and witness statements against him.

Yes,you are right,I did say I would lie to the police if I thought I was being railroaded,who wouldn't?

[Parky41]

Well,we only have the trial transcript of the prosecution questioning Alan Towers in the mean time.
Its mainly to do with Luke omiting his calls to Jodis house at 5.32 and 5.38.Although Luke must have known that Alan Ovens would talk about the 5.38 call anyway.
Oh before I go any further,in case you dont know who Alan Towers is,he seems to be one of the police officers who took Luke from the school to the police station in the small hours after the murder.and was the first to take a statement from Luke.

It seems Luke also got the time wrong when he phoned David High,he told Towers it was about 6.00 o'clock,when in actual fact it was 6.32,an hour after Luke claims he left the house.
Also,because Alan Ovens told Luke that Jodi had left the prosecution made a big deal about Luke saying he thought she had changed her mind about meeting up.
So,there you are,but as I say we dont have the defence examination of Towers yet.

I've not studied the latest properly yet - If the lad has been told his girlfriend had left to meet him, then being on a road (claimed) idling in one spot for the best part of 80mins, on a claimed 'maybe' meeting. Then saying they thought they had just changed their mind. Not so much a big deal at the time, an information gathering statement, certainly turned into such. Saying Jodi's mother had told him she hadn't seen her since leaving the house at 6 to meet with him, again turned into a bigger deal. Saying they had all walked past that break some distance yada yada, again turned into a bigger deal. Saying the girl was to be going to Newbattle and on it goes. Being home at an earlier time etc etc etc.

Information gathering from the main people - Checked over and seeing what exactly checked out. One keeps applying he had to be some mastermind to do X, Y or Z. I have always disagreed with this, winging it as best one could in the aftermath of it all. Many wheels firmly in motion that he had no control over. So yes, investigating, checking everything over and seeing exactly what checked out.

This transcript from Mitchell could and should have been put out there a long time ago, it has been said many times. His data, his legally to do as he wished with. Why would it have been kept hidden? Could it possibly be that false narrative in place, the hype, embellishment of actual truth, laying it on thick to gain support? 

We are told that the police scrubbed the data from his phone - Not true.
Told he was instantly separated from others and whisked away - Not true.
Taken to Dalkeith, treated differently when we see why he was actually taken there.
His mother saying he had been stripped and examined forensically all over by the time of her arrival - Not true.


I'm going to stop there, I see a massive lack of credibility. If his accounts did not check out, seen to lack credibility, tied in with so much more, then again, it is as I have always maintained - Clear reasons as to why he became suspect. Not interested in his guilt/innocence as such. Interested in there being no evidence of some conspiracy, that the police just decided to fit the boy up. He clearly could not be eliminated for sound reason.

And yes I do firmly believe that LM lied repeatedly. There is absolute proof that he did. I wonder if we will get to see transcripts of his interviews, recorded, also. The point of others lying, to place focus upon others will always be an issue. They cannot show, prove at all, that anyone else was lying, so they lied instead about them. Also been proving to be absolutely true. Strength in any argument should not merit having to lie.

[snow66!]

I've not studied the latest properly yet - If the lad has been told his girlfriend had left to meet him, then being on a road (claimed) idling in one spot for the best part of 80mins, on a claimed 'maybe' meeting. Then saying they thought they had just changed their mind. Not so much a big deal at the time, an information gathering statement, certainly turned into such. Saying Jodi's mother had told him she hadn't seen her since leaving the house at 6 to meet with him, again turned into a bigger deal. Saying they had all walked past that break some distance yada yada, again turned into a bigger deal. Saying the girl was to be going to Newbattle and on it goes. Being home at an earlier time etc etc etc.

Information gathering from the main people - Checked over and seeing what exactly checked out. One keeps applying he had to be some mastermind to do X, Y or Z. I have always disagreed with this, winging it as best one could in the aftermath of it all. Many wheels firmly in motion that he had no control over. So yes, investigating, checking everything over and seeing exactly what checked out.

This transcript from Mitchell could and should have been put out there a long time ago, it has been said many times. His data, his legally to do as he wished with. Why would it have been kept hidden? Could it possibly be that false narrative in place, the hype, embellishment of actual truth, laying it on thick to gain support? 

We are told that the police scrubbed the data from his phone - Not true.
Told he was instantly separated from others and whisked away - Not true.
Taken to Dalkeith, treated differently when we see why he was actually taken there.
His mother saying he had been stripped and examined forensically all over by the time of her arrival - Not true.


I'm going to stop there, I see a massive lack of credibility. If his accounts did not check out, seen to lack credibility, tied in with so much more, then again, it is as I have always maintained - Clear reasons as to why he became suspect. Not interested in his guilt/innocence as such. Interested in there being no evidence of some conspiracy, that the police just decided to fit the boy up. He clearly could not be eliminated for sound reason.

And yes I do firmly believe that LM lied repeatedly. There is absolute proof that he did. I wonder if we will get to see transcripts of his interviews, recorded, also. The point of others lying, to place focus upon others will always be an issue. They cannot show, prove at all, that anyone else was lying, so they lied instead about them. Also been proving to be absolutely true. Strength in any argument should not merit having to lie.

Yes,well I haven't finished reading Towers testimony yet either Parky.I suppose it will take a while to study all the latest statements/trial testimonies and weigh things up.