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Offline ILB

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #150 on: September 27, 2023, 10:24:AM »
What's remarkable about it?

Neither the police, prosecution or defence have ever contested Nevill's found position.

I don't recall me saying it was remarkable?
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #151 on: September 27, 2023, 10:35:AM »
Both pathologists agree Nevill's found position, as depicted in soc images. was consistent with rm.  Had he been lying along the Aga with the police moving him this would not be so.
Your slipping Cutes,Nevill was not dead when he was lying against the Aga,so no rigor setting in!

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #152 on: September 27, 2023, 10:38:AM »
Yes, but only if you lay against it was several hours - which apparently also cures concussion - who would have thought!!
Truth is often stranger than fiction Zoso.
The Aga burns may have been a twist of fate which may finally free Bamber.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #153 on: September 27, 2023, 10:41:AM »
The average height of a UK man is 5' 9".  Nevill at 6' 4" was considerably taller than average.  If you consider the photo of Nevill and June with their respective dogs at their feet you will also appreciate he had very long legs.  So no I do not think it suprising that a man of his statue fell across the chair as depicted in soc images.  As far as I am aware the prosecution case against Bamber does not involve him re-staging Nevill.
Cutie,for heavens sake,how many times do I have to tell you that I am with you on this.
NEVILL SLUMPED ONTO THE CHAIR/SCUTTLE BY HIMSELF!

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #154 on: September 27, 2023, 10:47:AM »
Truth is often stranger than fiction Zoso.
The Aga burns may have been a twist of fate which may finally free Bamber.

There's no evidence the marks were even burns let alone caused by the Aga. 

I guarantee you 100% this will go nowhere with the CCRC.  But when the CCRC rightly throw it out you and others here will be up in arms 'The CCRC are corrupt etc, etc.'  :'(

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #155 on: September 27, 2023, 10:54:AM »
There's no evidence the marks were even burns let alone caused by the Aga. 

I guarantee you 100% this will go nowhere with the CCRC.  But when the CCRC rightly throw it out you and others here will be up in arms 'The CCRC are corrupt etc, etc.'  :'(
I doubt I will make a song and dance if their thrown out Cutie,but no matter what if the images taken from the Aga are identically spaced as those on Nevills back I will always believe the Aga made the marks no matter what the CCRC or anyone else concludes.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #156 on: September 27, 2023, 10:55:AM »
The prosecution case against Bamber.  No mention of staging Nevill or burning his back.  Those who wish to support Bamber need to tackle the prosecution case. 

151. The prosecution relied upon the following areas of evidence:

i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

ii) His speaking of his plans to kill his family and thereafter his confessions to his girlfriend, Julie Mugford;

iii) The finding of his mother's bicycle at Goldhanger;

iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

v) Because on the facts of the case it could only have been the appellant or Sheila Caffell who carried out the killings, the factors below proved they were not the responsibility of the appellant's sister:

a) Although seriously mentally ill, there had been no indication of any deterioration in her mental health in the days before the killings. Neither had she expressed any recent suicidal thoughts and the expert evidence was that she would not have harmed her children or her father;

b) Save for the appellant nobody had seen her use a gun and she had no interest in them. Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle nor would she have had the required knowledge to do so;

c) She would not have been able physically to have overcome her father (who was fit, strong and 6' 4" tall) during the struggle which undoubtedly took place before his death in the kitchen;

d) Her hands and feet were clean. They were not blood stained and neither was there any sugar upon them;

e) Hand swabs from her body did not reveal the levels of lead to be expected in somebody who must have re-loaded the magazine of the gun on at least two occasions; and

f) Her clothing was relatively clean and she was not injured in the way that might be expected of somebody involved in a struggle. Her long fingernails were still intact and undamaged.

vi) The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself. The following aspects of the evidence established it was still in place on the gun when the appellant's sister was murdered:

a) The blood grouping analysis proved (on the particular facts of the case) that Sheila Caffell's blood was inside the moderator; and

b) Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;

d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and

e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.

viii) He stood to inherit considerable sums of money.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #157 on: September 27, 2023, 10:59:AM »
I doubt I will make a song and dance if their thrown out Cutie,but no matter what if the images taken from the Aga are identically spaced as those on Nevills back I will always believe the Aga made the marks no matter what the CCRC or anyone else concludes.

You're entitled to believe what you want but I can assure you the CCRC will not be entertaining any submissions that do not meet the criteria.  Claims that Nevill sustained burns from lying by the Aga and/or the police moved him are complete non-starters.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #158 on: September 27, 2023, 11:02:AM »
After several months I am starting to piece together Snow's aga scenario -

Sheila wakes Nevill. But not June and the twins.

Nevill goes downstairs bare footed and topless.

Nevill and Sheila argue. Sheila picks up a rifle for shooting rabbits. Nevill does not instantly reclaim this.

Sheila catches Nevill by surprise with some head blows.

Nevill lays unconcious against a cold aga door for several hours.

Nevill wakes and decides not to go upstairs 

He starts ringing Bamber's AM from the kitchen.  He eventually answers & Nevill says 11 words before putting the phone down.

Nevill does not ring Chelmsford Police.

Nevill eventually goes upstairs and puts his pyjama top on.

Sheila is upstairs and still has the rifle. She shoots him 4 times from inches and feet away.

Sheila chases Nevill downstairs where they fight. Sheila overpowers Nevill & gives him 40+ wounds. 

Nevill falls head first into the coal scuttle. He does not knock it over or sustain related head injuries from doing this.

Sheila shoots him 4 more times.

Nevill is now in the perfect position to have his back burnt. But this has already happened from laying against a cold aga door for several hours.

Hopefully Snow confirms if this scenario is correct.

Otherwise please correct me and I will amend.
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #159 on: September 27, 2023, 11:08:AM »
Hopefully Snow confirms if this scenario is correct.

Otherwise please correct me and I will amend.
Obviously its the gist of it Adam but with bits twisted around for sarcasm as you well know.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #160 on: September 27, 2023, 11:21:AM »
What's remarkable about it?

Neither the police, prosecution or defence have ever contested Nevill's found position.

Until now. Just because it has never been contested does not make it the truth. I am just a poster on  a website and I contest it.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #161 on: September 27, 2023, 11:24:AM »
Until now. Just because it has never been contested does not make it the truth. I am just a poster on  a website and I contest it.
Well you are not the only one Bubo,most members think Nevills body was staged.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #162 on: September 27, 2023, 11:27:AM »
Until now. Just because it has never been contested does not make it the truth. I am just a poster on  a website and I contest it.

Its up to you how you waste your time.

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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #163 on: September 27, 2023, 11:27:AM »
Obviously its the gist of it Adam but with bits twisted around for sarcasm as you well know.

Sarcasm Snow?
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Re: The beauty of THREE marks for supporters
« Reply #164 on: September 27, 2023, 11:31:AM »
Sarcasm Snow?
Cold Aga door Adam? You are the master or wry sarcasm.