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Offline SUMMER

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O.K Mike.
Thank you. :)

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Mike, do you know what the "document" Jeremy or the newspaper
claimed to have, as stated by the Police, purportedly signed by
Jones, is exactly? As stated in the Police covering statement which
accompanied Jeremy's letter?
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I know a bit about it, but I can't divulge at the moment, sorry...

It's interesting that Ainsley dismisses this document out of hand.  A Forgery?  Bamber must have been banged up with 'Colin' from 'The Great Escape'.
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It's interesting Jeremy doesn't accuse Mugford of lying during the trial, doesn't even hint at it.

I think it is implicit in what he is saying to Julie Mugford that they both knew that her evidence at trial was not true. He is appealing to her better nature to do the right thing and tell the truth in order to enable him to secure his release.  I can understand him not launching into a vitriolic attack on her as that would obviously be counterproductive.  That was my interpretation of the letter.


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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2011, 09:44:AM »
It's interesting Jeremy doesn't accuse Mugford of lying during the trial, doesn't even hint at it.

I think it is implicit in what he is saying to Julie Mugford that they both knew that her evidence at trial was not true. He is appealing to her better nature to do the right thing and tell the truth in order to enable him to secure his release.  I can understand him not launching into a vitriolic attack on her as that would obviously be counterproductive.  That was my interpretation of the letter.


That's how I read it also.

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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2016, 08:33:PM »
Thought this thread was worth bumping up..

The content of this letter is very much the same as a letter I received from SH following his confession. There were several letters actually and not unlike Bamber, he also sent me a valentines card (9 days before he ended his life).

Maybe I should post the two letters side by side?

« Last Edit: December 07, 2016, 08:37:PM by Stephanie »
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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2016, 09:11:PM »
I was a victim of a extremely disordered and dangerous individual.

I am choosing to post what I have in the hope it may help others.

I have no agenda other than to tell the truth as I see it in the Bamber case.

I have a wealth of material that resonates and matches with much of the material Bamber has spewed out over the years.

SH and Bamber aren't similar. They are the same. The only difference between them are their murderous crimes; and in Bambers case 17/18 years of duping.


« Last Edit: December 07, 2016, 09:25:PM by Stephanie »
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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2016, 09:22:PM »
It's quite possible the reason Julie Mugford met with any figures of authority prior to Bambers trial was for support, and support alone.

Following any relationship with a disordered and dangerous individual, the fall out is immense. It's quite possible JM was by now suffering from PTSD, as is common following these experiences.



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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2016, 10:06:PM »
It smacks of a letter written under pressure from his legal team, who in those early days before the first appeal deemed it an avenue worth exploring to get Julie to recant and thus nullify the effect of her evidence.

Assuming that the words are from his own hand and not ghostwritten it is outwardly a plausible attempt to overturn the verdict passed the year previously and appeals to Julie's heart if not her head, imploring her to recall the initial stages of their relationship when still fresh and unsullied by an insidious grudge he harboured against his family and which once shared would ultimately be the reason for their separation.

The letter ends with a veiled threat that forgiveness is impossible if his wishes are not carried out, and the enigmatic sentence: "Maybe I am the only one who can understand your actions" -a reference to the ramifications of Jeremy's plan which pervaded far beyond the two of them: a dithering which led to five deaths and an incalculable impact on Colin as Julie seemed to bargain away five lives for an all-consuming love which may or may not have burned out as soon as the deed was done. In mitigation one can only recall Jeremy's words at Blazer's restaurant, Blackheath shortly after the murders: "Don't blame yourself..I would have gone ahead with it anyway"-such little consolation in retrospect whether this letter reached its professed recipient or not, as Julie picked up the shards of shattered expectation and settled into a safe if not exhilarating routine overseas.
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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2016, 10:26:PM »

It smacks of a letter written under pressure from his legal team, who in those early days before the first appeal deemed it an avenue worth exploring to get Julie to recant and thus nullify the effect of her evidence.

Assuming that the words are from his own hand and not ghostwritten

I don't agree with you Steve. I'd say it smacks of a desperate Bamber. It's quite possible he had asked another prisoner to write it for him; this isn't uncommon. SH told me of a couple of occasions where he alleged he did the same?
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2016, 10:32:PM »

The letter ends with a veiled threat that forgiveness is impossible if his wishes are not carried out, and the enigmatic sentence: "Maybe I am the only one who can understand your actions" -a reference to the ramifications of Jeremy's plan which pervaded far beyond the two of them: a dithering which led to five deaths and an incalculable impact on Colin as Julie seemed to bargain away five lives for an all-consuming love which may or may not have burned out as soon as the deed was done. In mitigation one can only recall Jeremy's words at Blazer's restaurant, Blackheath shortly after the murders: "Don't blame yourself..I would have gone ahead with it anyway"-such little consolation in retrospect whether this letter reached its professed recipient or not, as Julie picked up the shards of shattered expectation and settled into a safe if not exhilarating routine overseas.

I do however agree with this.

SH also  made veiled threats if I were to ever leave him.
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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2016, 10:48:PM »
I don't agree with you Steve. I'd say it smacks of a desperate Bamber. It's quite possible he had asked another prisoner to write it for him; this isn't uncommon. SH told me of a couple of occasions where he alleged he did the same?
I wonder why the typical male handwriting appears in this quasi-love letter and not those sinister block capitals marching across the page in an effort to fill the space..could it be that it's the personal touch here, whereas any letters containing the latter are just a pretence, a chore to be endured as the fake sincerity takes its toll on his psyche?

Of course Bamber and his legal team were desperate, desperate and under pressure to find a legal way out, which they are no nearer finding now than they were 31 years ago.
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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2016, 10:53:PM »
I wonder why the typical male handwriting appears in this quasi-love letter and not those sinister block capitals marching across the page in an effort to fill the space..could it be that it's the personal touch here, whereas any letters containing the latter are just a pretence, a chore to be endured as the fake sincerity takes its toll on his psyche?

Of course Bamber and his legal team were desperate, desperate and under pressure to find a legal way out, which they are no nearer finding now than they were 31 years ago.

Does he have a current legal team?
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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2016, 10:58:PM »
Does he have a current legal team?
Yes Mike and Lookout.

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Re: A letter, between "star crossed lovers", stamped, 6th April 1987...
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2016, 01:52:PM »
Does he have a current legal team?


Indeed he does-----------besides Mike and myself. :-X