Guns from whf handed in by Bunting who refuses to name persons to police

[mike tesko]

I have long since held the view that this weapon may have played some role in the attack on Ralph Bamber? In particular with regard to the double circular burn marks that were inflicted on the back of Ralph Bambers neck?

Do you think a hot barrel of a rifle would leave such marks? I'm not sure how hot a .22 barrel would get?

... Imagine that double barrelled weapon leaning up against the hot aga oven door in the kithen at whf, and it being used to prod the back of Ralphs neck to check if he was still alive, or dead?

Oh, I see what you're getting at now. So you think the marks on his neck were inflicted AFTER death?

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Precisely...

Did the coroner say anything about them as to whether they were inflicted before or after death?

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Here's what he said in his report about these circular shaped burn marks?

[mike tesko]

These references to dimensions are significant, since it may be possible to match them to the diameter and circumferences of the double barrelled weapon that was handed into BUNTING by local people that he refused to name to the police?

[mike tesko]

Marks found could be dependent upon angle that barrels were offered into position against Ralph Bambers back?

[mike tesko]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

[Roch]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

[mike tesko]

I am minded to think that this weapon could have been the gun to which DS Davidson was referring to, when he spoke to COLP during interviews in 1991, when he said a paint sample (RC/1) was taken from the scene on 8th August 1985, because of some paint that had been found on the end of a guns barrel, a gun which had been found downstairs? It remains possible that the gun in question with paint on the end of its barrel was the one handed over to BUNTING, and that police handed this gun back to the relatives, or simply left it at the scene for the relatives to collect, and that later once a decision was taken to scratch the underside of the kitchen mantelpiece with the silencer, the relatives got rid of the double barreled gun by handing it to BUNTING, so that it could not be associated with the attack on Ralph?

If true, one can then start to see why no photographs of the circular marks found on Ralph's back have ever been published, and also why there exists a big secret over the original paint sample (RC/1) being taken, and because the double barreled weapon that was handed over to BUNTING was originally found at the scene on the morning of the shootings, with paint on the end of its barrel?

a great deal could rest on the dimensions of the two barrels of this weapon, and whether or not they can be matched to the circular burn marks on Ralph Bambers back?

[mike tesko]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

[grahameb]

But the report speaks about 3 burn marks doesn't it?

[mike tesko]

But the report speaks about 3 burn marks doesn't it?

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Could be another ring in between both barrels, like some sort of a site, or whatever, or as the case may be, the weapon may have been offered into position flush on so that both barrels came into contact with the surface of the skin on Ralph's back, and then only one of the barrels was brought into contact in a similar sort of area and at a slightly different angle so that only one of the double barrels touched the surface of the skin?


We will know more when I identify the weapon in question once I get my hands on that statement I have possession of somewhere, then we will be able to look at the design features of the weapon more closely?

[Roch]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

But how did Bunting and his donated custom weapon come to light in the first place?

[mike tesko]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

But how did Bunting and his donated custom weapon come to light in the first place?

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Its all in the statement I have got possession of, somewhere, but from what I can gather it all came to light soon after the shootings at whf......

[Roch]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

But how did Bunting and his donated custom weapon come to light in the first place?

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Its all in the statement I have got possession of, somewhere, but from what I can gather it all came to light soon after the shootings at whf......

I meant... why would Bunting come forward, if he didn't need to?  What's the point in accepting weapons with a nod and a wink, only to then inform the cops?  Something doesn't add up.

[mike tesko]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

But how did Bunting and his donated custom weapon come to light in the first place?

...............

Its all in the statement I have got possession of, somewhere, but from what I can gather it all came to light soon after the shootings at whf......

I meant... why would Bunting come forward, if he didn't need to?  What's the point in accepting weapons with a nod and a wink, only to then inform the cops?  Something doesn't add up.

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The impression I got when I first came across the evidence I am talking about, was that the police were checking up on all the evidence that could have had something to do with the incident at whf, and their inquiries led them to Bunting? I think he ended up volunteering the two weapons to the police with a request that he should be able to keep possession of the unusual double barreled gun(s) and that police refused to let him keep it, and they were taken off him and sent to the Lab' at Huntingdon to be checked to see if they had been used in the whf shootings or incident? The report about its submission are not to hand, or any conclusions which could have been drawn from such an examination, perhaps these should be requested from the CPS, Lab' or Essex police?

[Roch]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

But how did Bunting and his donated custom weapon come to light in the first place?

...............

Its all in the statement I have got possession of, somewhere, but from what I can gather it all came to light soon after the shootings at whf......

I meant... why would Bunting come forward, if he didn't need to?  What's the point in accepting weapons with a nod and a wink, only to then inform the cops?  Something doesn't add up.

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The impression I got when I first came across the evidence I am talking about, was that the police were checking up on all the evidence that could have had something to do with the incident at whf, and their inquiries led them to Bunting? I think he ended up volunteering the two weapons to the police with a request that he should be able to keep possession of the unusual double barreled gun(s) and that police refused to let him keep it, and they were taken off him and sent to the Lab' at Huntingdon to be checked to see if they had been used in the whf shootings or incident? The report about its submission are not to hand, or any conclusions which could have been drawn from such an examination, perhaps these should be requested from the CPS, Lab' or Essex police?

I wonder what led them to Bunting though?  I dont get how police didn't find this weapon anyway, if it was used in the incident... because it would have been at the farmhouse on the morning of 7/8/85?  Something fishy going on here.

[mike tesko]

If Barrel made mark, it could not possibly have been just the one barrel of one gun, because of the dimensions, 5/8" and 3/8" -  in my opinion, it is much more likely to have been a double barreled weapon, which had one barrel larger, than the other, one sitting atop the other, and the weapon handed to BUNTING fits this bill exactly...

Bunting is hardly going to keep his mouth shut for Jeremy Bamber or some 'hitman'.  So.. who exactly is he keeping quiet for?

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Some relative or other?

But how did Bunting and his donated custom weapon come to light in the first place?

...............

Its all in the statement I have got possession of, somewhere, but from what I can gather it all came to light soon after the shootings at whf......

I meant... why would Bunting come forward, if he didn't need to?  What's the point in accepting weapons with a nod and a wink, only to then inform the cops?  Something doesn't add up.

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The impression I got when I first came across the evidence I am talking about, was that the police were checking up on all the evidence that could have had something to do with the incident at whf, and their inquiries led them to Bunting? I think he ended up volunteering the two weapons to the police with a request that he should be able to keep possession of the unusual double barreled gun(s) and that police refused to let him keep it, and they were taken off him and sent to the Lab' at Huntingdon to be checked to see if they had been used in the whf shootings or incident? The report about its submission are not to hand, or any conclusions which could have been drawn from such an examination, perhaps these should be requested from the CPS, Lab' or Essex police?

I wonder what led them to Bunting though?  I dont get how police didn't find this weapon anyway, if it was used in the incident... because it would have been at the farmhouse on the morning of 7/8/85?  Something fishy going on here.

... These guns could have been at the house that morning and taken away, by the relatives, in the same way they took all the other guns away from whf?