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« Reply #345 on: November 23, 2021, 04:38:PM »

I'd forgotten that the police station had once been near the RW station!! -wasn't it a fairly small Victorian building?- I thought it was on Southway, right next to Maldon road. But if it was near the station, the A12 would have been quicker.
Wasn't it near the Town Station not the station out towards the Hospital?  It’s at bottom of Butt Road now I think it’s address goes under South-way though the dual carriageway at the bottom.

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« Reply #346 on: November 23, 2021, 06:26:PM »


But it can't categorically be claimed that what occurred in the case of patient A, will happen in patient B, or, for that matter, any other patient. Much will depend on how/if patients are medicated.





It's not unusual ( breaking out into song here  :) ) for the condition to manifest itself years before without realising what's going wrong with themselves. The one that I know had put up with her " feelings " for all of 17 years ! After much researching it had been post-natal depression which the woman used to mask----as you do---with substance abuse to "feel better". 25 years ago it wasn't as recognised as it is now, but that's how it all began.
With Sheila it was even longer than that. More often than not it's a hormonal imbalance that creates havoc as there didn't appear to be anything wrong before the twins were born, or if there had been it would/ should have been picked up during her stay in the maternity hospital.

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« Reply #347 on: November 23, 2021, 06:53:PM »
It might be rubbish to you but it's common sense to me, something that you're sadly lacking.

How do figments of imagination and common sense equate?

The crime scene images, witness statements and pocket books detail the extent of the bloodstains on the flooring and its nothing like your description.

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« Reply #348 on: November 23, 2021, 07:06:PM »




It's not unusual ( breaking out into song here  :) ) for the condition to manifest itself years before without realising what's going wrong with themselves. The one that I know had put up with her " feelings " for all of 17 years ! After much researching it had been post-natal depression which the woman used to mask----as you do---with substance abuse to "feel better". 25 years ago it wasn't as recognised as it is now, but that's how it all began.
With Sheila it was even longer than that. More often than not it's a hormonal imbalance that creates havoc as there didn't appear to be anything wrong before the twins were born, or if there had been it would/ should have been picked up during her stay in the maternity hospital.


It seems that, after 17yrs, the poor lady was diagnosed. Can depression be described as being "post natal" after all that time, given that there can be hormone problems surrounding the menstrual cycle, too. Suffering both at the same time would be a bit of an anomaly, I imagine.

We really can't know -without knowledge of her gynaecologic history- if Sheila had suffered from severe/mild hormonal imbalance prior to the twin's birth. It's difficult to know if her depression was clinical or a result of life circumstances, OR whether either became exacerbated by her schizophrenia.

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« Reply #349 on: November 23, 2021, 09:04:PM »
He practised with Julie by using a mouth ball gag and tying her up just enough to restrict movement but not enough to leave marks.

With a willing partner yes, but you try gaging someone who is resisting you, very difficult. Even if her wrists and ankles were bound she could still lash out with both feet. How does JB get her past the main bedroom to his room without waking everyone up? The gag would not stop her making a lot of noise, and she would be struggling as hard as she could.

Sheila died calmly, not fighting for her life, look at pictures of Bonnie and Clyde to see what I mean.

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« Reply #350 on: November 23, 2021, 09:15:PM »
With a willing partner yes, but you try gaging someone who is resisting you, very difficult. Even if her wrists and ankles were bound she could still lash out with both feet. How does JB get her past the main bedroom to his room without waking everyone up? The gag would not stop her making a lot of noise, and she would be struggling as hard as she could.

Sheila died calmly, not fighting for her life, look at pictures of Bonnie and Clyde to see what I mean.

Agree Rob. My scenario is more straight forward.
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« Reply #351 on: November 23, 2021, 09:17:PM »
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #352 on: November 23, 2021, 09:25:PM »
Disagree with a lot of CAL's scenario. But as with CC's it does fit the crime scene evidence.

If Bamber had 2 bullets left, he would not exit the main bedroom to shoot the sleeping twins. He would fire them into Nevill.
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« Reply #353 on: November 23, 2021, 09:27:PM »
'He managed to slot four cartridges into the magazine before his father stumbled into the room'.

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That is guess work. But then so is my Nevill exiting & being chased.
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« Reply #354 on: November 23, 2021, 09:29:PM »
Bamber heading downstairs to re load followed by Nevill does answer Rob's claim that Nevill would never run away.

However surely better that Nevill stays upstairs & attempts to stop Bamber when he returns.
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« Reply #355 on: November 23, 2021, 09:31:PM »
The last trapped the empty cartridge case in the ejection port.

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No evidence this happened.
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« Reply #356 on: November 23, 2021, 09:33:PM »
I don't believe Sheila woke & got up. But if she did, Bamber would shoot her where he found her - in the main bedroom.

It does cover the Bamber having to move Sheila obstacle brought up by supporters.
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« Reply #357 on: November 23, 2021, 09:38:PM »
CAL is saying Bamber went upstairs with 11 bullets. Which I agree is likely.

She then says he entered the main bedroom first. Which I agree is possible.

However if Nevill stood up, he would fire all 11 bullets in the main bedroom.
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« Reply #358 on: November 23, 2021, 09:38:PM »
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6833.msg316417.html#msg316417

Here is Carol Ann Lee's version of events.

Interesting but what was Nevil doing when JB shot the twins? He would be free to go downstairs and call 999 or go to the gun cupboard then it would be like the OK Corral.

Sheila would have been panic stricken, the Police would know she was murdered.

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« Reply #359 on: November 23, 2021, 09:40:PM »
Interesting but what was Nevil doing when JB shot the twins? He would be free to go downstairs and call 999 or go to the gun cupboard then it would be like the OK Corral.

Sheila would have been panic stricken, the Police would know she was murdered.

Believe CAL is saying Nevill was injured so made it downstairs behind Bamber.

It would not take long to fire two shots into the sleeping twins.
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