My Challenge To The Supporters

[killingeve]

As I'd already stated earlier that however and by whatever means blood entered the silencer, it will be revealed when/if this goes to appeal as Yvonne seemed to have been pretty confident that this part of the submission had been solved by their forensic team.

It has to get past the review commission first! 

[Jane]

As I'd already stated earlier that however and by whatever means blood entered the silencer, it will be revealed when/if this goes to appeal as Yvonne seemed to have been pretty confident that this part of the submission had been solved by their forensic team.

Frankly, I don't know what there is to solve. A pair of stained knickers -from the onset of menstruation- is placed in a bucket of water. They may well have been held under running water before placing them there. It's not impossible to speculate that detergent may have been added to the water the knickers were placed in. One had to wonder what sort of hoops they'd have been required to jump through in order to extricate the minutest amount of what might still pass as blood.

[lookout]

It has to get past the review commission first!

I know that----and the relatives too !

[lookout]

Frankly, I don't know what there is to solve. A pair of stained knickers -from the onset of menstruation- is placed in a bucket of water. They may well have been held under running water before placing them there. It's not impossible to speculate that detergent may have been added to the water the knickers were placed in. One had to wonder what sort of hoops they'd have been required to jump through in order to extricate the minutest amount of what might still pass as blood.

It won't be knickers Jane.

[killingeve]

Have you completed your analysis of the McKenzie report. It suggests some very worrying points. I will not list them all since it is only a few pages and readers can see the claims for themselves.

1 There was never a flake of blood in the silencer.

2 As expounded by Holly Goodhead on Red and her analysis of the serological components being unable to remain viable over time, the blood on the baffles is not conclusively Sheila's.

3 MF dismantled the SM on the 13/08/85. I have seen no GER for this and it is claimed the HOLAB 5 form is a fake. Why would RC dismantle it again if he knew this?

4 JH did not conduct the tests on the flake but testified as if he had.

No but I will read it.  I have been reading some other lengthy doc uploaded by David1819 which refers to Mrs Eaton contaminating the silencer with the bloodstained knickers/bucket of water.  No idea who the originator of this doc is. 

[Jane]

It won't be knickers Jane.

I dread to think what you might be suggesting , Lookout..................but I have to ask Are you saying that somehow 'the family' went in and scooped up any residual blood which hadn't been cleaned up. Did they then put it in water to rehydrate it?

[lookout]

I dread to think what you might be suggesting , Lookout..................but I have to ask Are you saying that somehow 'the family' went in and scooped up any residual blood which hadn't been cleaned up. Did they then put it in water to rehydrate it?

Whatever it is it's not the drawers 

[Jane]

Whatever it is it's not the drawers 

De mind, it boggles

[David1819]

What has any of the above got to do with the fact he never mentioned the 'movement' at the window to anyone: police, judiciary, family, Colin, Julie etc.  You're a Northern numpty and don't deserve the HS2 rail link to the South!!!!!!!!!!

Northern numpty? Who has used that phrase before?

[killingeve]

Shooting scene reconstructions are part of everyday forensic science eg

https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/forensic-science/Pages/forensic-programs-crime-scene-ssrecon.aspx

https://www.sciencedirect.com/book/9780123822413/shooting-incident-reconstruction

You guys have the advantage of masses of data to reconstruct with 26 gunshot wounds. 

Some Points To Remember

* 12 cartridge cases main bedroom.  1 cartridge case on landing.

* Pathological and forensic evidence supports Nicholas receiving 5 gunshot wounds in quick succession.  And it is thought the twins received all gunshot wounds at the same time.

* Pathological and forensic evidence supports Mrs Bamber receiving 6 not immediately life threatening gunshot wounds in quick succession whilst she was in bed and getting out of.  The two immediately life threatening gunshot wounds occuring later.  All shots were to her front.

* Pathological and forensic evidence supports Mr Bamber receiving 4 not immediately life threatening gunshot wounds upstairs.  Two to the face rendered his incapable of purposeful speech thereafter.  The gunshot wounds to his arm and torso were fired to the rear of his body.  The four immediately life threatening gunshot wounds downstairs were thought to have been fired in quick succession.

Please remember there's other evidence you need to factor in too such as bloodstains and distance of shots.

David18189, when did you decide Mr Bamber wasn't shot in his bedroom and what caused you to change your mind?  Thanks. 

[David1819]

David18189, when did you decide Mr Bamber wasn't shot in his bedroom and what caused you to change your mind?  Thanks.

When I found out his side of the bed was the side with no blood on.

[killingeve]

When I found out his side of the bed was the side with no blood on.

But you knew his blood was not found in the main bedroom when you made posts about how he might have fallen down within the bedroom to correspond with the downward trajectories.

[Adam]

I must have told David about 5 times Nevill's blood would not be in the bedroom. Or on his bed.

He was out of bed so quickly, Bamber only managed two face shots.

He then left the bedroom within seconds. The torso shots would not have time to gather enough blood & drip through his pyjamas onto the floor.

It was a rifle for shooting rabbits. Not a 44Magnum, 'the most powerful handgun in the world'.

[Adam]

There is a slim chance Nevill dripped a small amount of blood onto the bedroom carpet.

However this would not be found in amongst the large amount of blood Sheila & June left.

[Adam]

Only samples of the bedroom carpet were tested. So even less likely Nevill's blood would be found.