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« Reply #240 on: November 22, 2021, 08:32:PM »
Bizarre. CC doesn't actually believe JB is guilty.

Eh?

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« Reply #241 on: November 22, 2021, 08:33:PM »
A gag would not keep Sheila quiet she would still be able to scream the place down, also she would have struggled and left visible marks on her wrists and ankles.
Mmm he could have used tape Rob, for the wrists

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« Reply #242 on: November 22, 2021, 08:34:PM »
Back to the thread title and post #1.

My scenario -

*  Once Bamber enters the farmhouse, via one of the windows he admitted he could gain entry through regardless of whether it was secured or not, he removes the ivory kitchen handset from the cradle thus disabling all other phones within the property. 

*  Grabs the rifle and stuffs his pocket full with ammunition from the cupboard under the stairs.  As a former marksman he knows he could kill each victim with a single gunshot wound to the head but needs it to look amateurish and frenzied.

*  He moves to Sheila's bedroom where he gags, blindfolds, and bounds her wrists and ankles.  Then carries her to his former bedroom and locks the door.

*  He deliberately makes noises until he knows the inevitable will happen ie Mrs Bamber wakes Mr Bamber to investigate.  It is often talked about that Mrs Bamber is a light sleeper, thinks she hears noises downstairs and sends Mr Bamber to investigate.

*  Bamber hides out in the twins room until he hears Mr Bamber making his way downstairs.  He then enters the main bedroom via the box room and open fires on June discharging 6 rounds.  Mr Bamber comes running back up the stairs and he shoots him twice on the stairs immediately preceding the main bedroom.  Mr Bamber turns and Bamber allows him to move to the main staircase where he shoots him again twice. 

*  The pair end up in the kitchen where the violent struggle takes place and the silencer scratches the mantle hence the paint.  Seeing Mr Bamber is no longer a threat he loads 4 further bullets and inflicts the gunshot wounds to the head.

*  He reloads 11 bullets.  Back upstairs.  He hears June moaning and sees her slumped by the door so inflicts 2 further gunshots wounds to the head.  Into the twins room where he discharges the rifle 8 times. 

*  Opens his bedroom door, carries Sheila to the main bedroom and inflicts the not immediately fatal wound.  Realising she is still alive he reloads another bullet and inflicts the fatal wound.  Removes Sheila's gag, blindfold, ankle/wrist ties and makes a pigs ear of staging the scene hence Martyn Ismail's testimony at the 2002 appeal.  Removes the silencer and puts it in a bag at the back of the cupboard where it is later found by Mr Boutflour jnr.

All the above fits with the bloodstains and casings etc.


Concise. Doable. Totally believable.

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #243 on: November 22, 2021, 08:35:PM »
Bizarre. CC doesn't actually believe JB is guilty.
Im sorry Roch I don’t go by gossip, I go from what’s in front off me.  Must admit it’s well thought out I had Sheila as the killer 😂😂😂🙈

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #244 on: November 22, 2021, 08:35:PM »

Concise. Doable. Totally believable.

See above.

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« Reply #245 on: November 22, 2021, 08:35:PM »
Bizarre. CC doesn't actually believe JB is guilty.



That's rather snide, Roch. Not that such in any way, matters. They've made a bloody good case for guilt.
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« Reply #246 on: November 22, 2021, 08:36:PM »
See above.
Roch it doesn’t matter what stance anyone is, that’s well thought out and doable mate👍

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #247 on: November 22, 2021, 08:39:PM »
Mmm he could have used tape Rob, for the wrists

JB cannot afford a single mark on Sheila or it's game over, so tying her up is a non starter, plus the shot to the neck is still difficult with her struggling with all her strength.

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« Reply #248 on: November 22, 2021, 08:42:PM »
JB cannot afford a single mark on Sheila or it's game over, so tying her up is a non starter, plus the shot to the neck is still difficult with her struggling with all her strength.


I guess any visible marks could be put down to her fighting with her parents?

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Re: My Challenge To The Supporters
« Reply #249 on: November 22, 2021, 08:42:PM »
Bizarre. CC doesn't actually believe JB is guilty.

Course I don't  ::)

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« Reply #250 on: November 22, 2021, 08:44:PM »
What about her nails? in struggling to get free she would have lost the lot, and gags don't work like they do on the TV it's quite hard to silence someone.

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« Reply #251 on: November 22, 2021, 08:48:PM »
A gag would not keep Sheila quiet she would still be able to scream the place down, also she would have struggled and left visible marks on her wrists and ankles.

He practised with Julie by using a mouth ball gag and tying her up just enough to restrict movement but not enough to leave marks.


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« Reply #252 on: November 22, 2021, 08:50:PM »
What about her nails? in struggling to get free she would have lost the lot, and gags don't work like they do on the TV it's quite hard to silence someone.


Just maybe they did, Rob. To simply dismiss it makes for a very sweeping statement. They'd only have needed to work once, wouldn't they?

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« Reply #253 on: November 22, 2021, 08:51:PM »
He practised with Julie by using a mouth ball gag and tying her up just enough to restrict movement but not enough to leave marks.

This will stop someone talking but not making a lot of noise, it would be hard to force Sheila to put one on and again the straps would leave marks around the face.

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« Reply #254 on: November 22, 2021, 08:52:PM »
JB cannot afford a single mark on Sheila or it's game over, so tying her up is a non starter, plus the shot to the neck is still difficult with her struggling with all her strength.
She had 20 odd scratches on her by all accounts have you forgot Rob!