The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[David1819]

Sheila's shots were contact shots in an area of high blood flow.

The other shots were in areas of low blood flow or non contact. Or both.

"Test shots on live pigs destined for slaughter showed that bone particles are a feature of backspatter from close-range shots to heads. Contamination of nearby surfaces by bone fragments and bone-plus-bullet fragments, as well as other organic debris, appears to be quite heavy."
"Detection of Bone and Bone-Plus-Bullet Particles in Backspatter from Close-Range Shots to Heads," Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 36, No. 6, 1991, pp. 1745-1752,

Adam were is all the biological material from Nicholas 3 contact head shots?

[David1819]

Why was Sheila's blood not in the rifle barrel?

The last shot was under Sheila's chin and through her mouth. So any blood from the previous lower gunshot to her neck would have been blown out by the last gun shot.

[Roch]

Just seen it's over 46 minutes.

Do you believe she committed serious perjury because they split up?

In the aftermath of the killings.  This is what I think happened. 

[1] The relatives had a very limited understanding of Sheila's illness, which impacted upon their ability to accept Sheila was responsible.  This lack of acceptance (born partly from ignorance) contributed to Jeremy being suspected as involved in the killings.

[2] Some of Jeremy's flippant remarks, mannerisms or actions raised eyebrows among some observers, (ostensibly the relatives).

[2] The relatives needed Jeremy to be responsible for the killings (because of material and financial concerns) .

[4] Therefore, the relatives became unable to view Jeremy's actions and words other than through a prism (whereby he was responsible for the killings).

[5] A few coppers were not that keen on Jeremy and became inclined to align their respect with the relatives.

[6] Once the relatives had secured the willing cooperation of certain police officers, a plan was hatched to effectively blacken Jeremy's name.

[7] Julie Mugford became pivotal in this (possibly she was seen as the weakest link in getting to Jeremy).

[8] Jeremy was briefed against by the relatives and the collusive police officers. Some of this 'black propaganda' may have reached or been directed at Julie.

[9] Julie's split with Jeremy provided her with a reason to turn against him - it also provided the police with an opportunity to isolate her for the purpose of cranking up the propaganda and railroading her towards providing testimony against Jeremy.

[10] Julie had then reached the point of no return and was locked in to the relatives / police version of events forever.

[Roch]

No.

Then he said paint.  If not blood, then paint.

[Steve_uk]

"Test shots on live pigs destined for slaughter showed that bone particles are a feature of backspatter from close-range shots to heads. Contamination of nearby surfaces by bone fragments and bone-plus-bullet fragments, as well as other organic debris, appears to be quite heavy."
"Detection of Bone and Bone-Plus-Bullet Particles in Backspatter from Close-Range Shots to Heads," Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 36, No. 6, 1991, pp. 1745-1752,

Adam were is all the biological material from Nicholas 3 contact head shots?

If you can show him where forensics tested for calcium-phosphorous particles at Huntingdon and where Jeremy shot a pig at White House Farm he'll tell you.

[Adam]

If you can show him where forensics tested for calcium-phosphorous particles at Huntingdon and where Jeremy shot a pig at White House Farm he'll tell you.

Bone splatter from a rifle used for shooting rabbits. Lol. It was barely powerful to produce blood splatter from Sheila's neck.

Next someone will be  suggesting the back splatter could have travelled through the silencer to the gun barrel. Wait there.

[Steve_uk]

I don’t know what an industrial frame department is. The conspiracy to convict Jeremy would have consisted of a few people, with Ainsley masterminding the plot. Many others who provided evidence may not have realized that they were contributing to the framing of Jeremy.

A combination of the relatives, primarily RWB, with the implicit approval of Ainsley.

In my opinion Sheila killed the twins, then June and finally Nevill but I don’t suppose that will ever be known for certain.

All it needed was for PC West to confirm he received a telephone call from Nevill and Jeremy is innocent.

[Adam]

In the aftermath of the killings.  This is what I think happened. 

[1] The relatives had a very limited understanding of Sheila's illness, which impacted upon their ability to accept Sheila was responsible.  This lack of acceptance (born partly from ignorance) contributed to Jeremy being suspected as involved in the killings.

[2] Some of Jeremy's flippant remarks, mannerisms or actions raised eyebrows among some observers, (ostensibly the relatives).

[2] The relatives needed Jeremy to be responsible for the killings (because of material and financial concerns) .

[4] Therefore, the relatives became unable to view Jeremy's actions and words other than through a prism (whereby he was responsible for the killings).

[5] A few coppers were not that keen on Jeremy and became inclined to align their respect with the relatives.

[6] Once the relatives had secured the willing cooperation of certain police officers, a plan was hatched to effectively blacken Jeremy's name.

[7] Julie Mugford became pivotal in this (possibly she was seen as the weakest link in getting to Jeremy).

[8] Jeremy was briefed against by the relatives and the collusive police officers. Some of this 'black propaganda' may have reached or been directed at Julie.

[9] Julie's split with Jeremy provided her with a reason to turn against him - it also provided the police with an opportunity to isolate her for the purpose of cranking up the propaganda and railroading her towards providing testimony against Jeremy.

[10] Julie had then reached the point of no return and was locked in to the relatives / police version of events forever.

Wow that is a lot of people ganging up on Jeremy and committing perjury.

[Roch]

Wow that is a lot of people ganging up on Jeremy and committing perjury.

For some reason, I think ACC Simpson told Ainsley to fully cooperate with Robert Boutflour. It's as if Simpson was scared of him.

[JackieD]

Wow that is a lot of people ganging up on Jeremy and committing perjury.

Get real Adam

Guildford Four police 'acted criminally', lawyers claim

06 October 2017

Lawyers have claimed

 recently released documents

concerning the 1974 Guildford IRA pub bombing expose "criminality" by police and prosecutors.
The Guildford Four were wrongfully convicted over the bombings in one of the UK's worst miscarriages of justice.
KRW Law said newly-released archive material contained "evidence of perverting the course of justice" and demanded a new inquiry be launched.
The Attorney General said it had not yet received the application.
Surrey Police said they were aware of the letter and were awaiting any decisions by the Attorney General.
Soldiers Ann Hamilton, 19, Caroline Slater, 18, William Forsyth, 18, and John Hunter, 17, died in the blast at the Horse & Groom on 5 October 1974, along with plasterer Paul Craig, 21.
In a letter to Attorney General Jeremy Wright QC, the law firm urges him to launch a fresh probe into the actions of police and lawyers at the time.
It said its application was being made on the basis of material accessed at the National Archives by the BBC last year .
"On the basis of this material we submit that your offices can review the case in its entirety with a view to directing a fresh criminal inquiry," the firm wrote.

[guest29835]

The rifle isn't powerful enough for back splatter to travel several inches tjrough a silencer. It was a rifle for shooting rabbits.

That doesn't tell us why blood would not be found several inches through the silencer and also in the rifle barrel.  Back spatter (note: spatter not splatter) is not the only factor in blood distribution.

[Adam]

Get real Adam

Guildford Four police 'acted criminally', lawyers claim

06 October 2017

Lawyers have claimed

 recently released documents

concerning the 1974 Guildford IRA pub bombing expose "criminality" by police and prosecutors.
The Guildford Four were wrongfully convicted over the bombings in one of the UK's worst miscarriages of justice.
KRW Law said newly-released archive material contained "evidence of perverting the course of justice" and demanded a new inquiry be launched.
The Attorney General said it had not yet received the application.
Surrey Police said they were aware of the letter and were awaiting any decisions by the Attorney General.
Soldiers Ann Hamilton, 19, Caroline Slater, 18, William Forsyth, 18, and John Hunter, 17, died in the blast at the Horse & Groom on 5 October 1974, along with plasterer Paul Craig, 21.
In a letter to Attorney General Jeremy Wright QC, the law firm urges him to launch a fresh probe into the actions of police and lawyers at the time.
It said its application was being made on the basis of material accessed at the National Archives by the BBC last year .
"On the basis of this material we submit that your offices can review the case in its entirety with a view to directing a fresh criminal inquiry," the firm wrote.

Nothing to do with the Bamber case.

[Adam]

That doesn't tell us why blood would not be found several inches through the silencer and also in the rifle barrel.  Back spatter (note: spatter not splatter) is not the only factor in blood distribution.

Blood was found several baffles down the silencer.

It was never going to go through the silencer onto the rifle barrel. No one has suggested it would since 1986. Even David & Mike.

[guest29835]

Blood was found several baffles down the silencer.

It was never going to go through the silencer onto the rifle barrel. No one has suggested it would since 1986. Even David & Mike.

At what point do you think Jeremy unscrewed the silencer from the rifle?

[JackieD]

Nothing to do with the Bamber case.

You know exactly my point regarding police acting criminally