The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

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The Justice Gap
Does Jeremy Bamber have a human right to be released from prison with immediate effect?

NG1066 may be able to assist with this question, but I imagine that if such an argument were made - perhaps to the ECHR itself - it would rest on the materiality of the recently-disclosed evidence.  It needs to be appreciated that, for both justice and pragmatic reasons, there can never be complete disclosure.  If there were such a requirement, the English criminal justice system would be like the Italians have, with criminal cases going on forever - bouncing back and forth between trial and appellate courts - and hardly anybody with financial resources would be convicted or punished.

Disclosure has to be relevant and there has to be finality.  Justice must proceed swiftly and efficiently.
Jeremy can't base his appeal arguments on not receiving a copy of the notebook of an obscure police officer who happened to be on the scene.  That's not reasonable. 

That said, there is a legitimate question of whether it is appropriate for police officers and Crown Prosecutors to be making legal disclosure decisions - which even today is still the practice, if I'm not mistaken.  The court is meant to be an independent failsafe, but neither the defence nor the court know what is contained in documents, and sometimes the defence don't even know what there is.  Surely in the more serious cases (homicides, armed robbery, sexual offences, GBH), disclosure decisions should be reviewed by officials independent of the police and the CPS?  Perhaps use should also be made of information technology to place all material deemed 'irrelevant' in a protected environment that is beyond the reach of the police and the CPS and that the defence can apply to access?

[JackieD]

This is a question for Roch

I have just listened to the podcast regarding submissions
The first point is regarding the phone calls
We are led to believe there is now absolute proof that the phone calls from Jeremy and Neville were definitely made
Surely proof of this makes the whole case fall apart ? Without taking into account any of the other submissions

[Adam]

This is a question for Roch

I have just listened to the podcast regarding submissions
The first point is regarding the phone calls
We are led to believe there is now absolute proof that the phone calls from Jeremy and Neville were definitely made
Surely proof of this makes the whole case fall apart ? Without taking into account any of the other submissions

Agree that Jeremy made 4 phone calls that night.

Nevill's call to the police? That has already been established as properganda & was not part of the 2012 CCRC submission.

This years submission will be focusing on technicalities to claim the conviction was unsafe, rather than proving him innocent.

[Adam]

If ever released Bamber can say he's innocent and do the media/showbiz circuit.

He will be well known enough & get enough financial offers to live the life style he craved in the 1980's. This will have been a motivation to campaign for freedom since 1986.

[Adam]

Mugford's podcast is now up. Haven't had a chance to listen yet.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jeremy-bamber-and-white-house-farm/id1555731881

Just seen it's over 46 minutes.

Do you believe she committed serious perjury because they split up?

[JackieD]

Agree that Jeremy made 4 phone calls that night.

Nevill's call to the police? That has already been established as properganda & was not part of the 2012 CCRC submission.

This years submission will be focusing on technicalities to claim the conviction was unsafe, rather than proving him innocent.

I haven’t agreed anything with you Adam

[JackieD]

If ever released Bamber can say he's innocent and do the media/showbiz circuit.

He will be well known enough & get enough financial offers to live the life style he craved in the 1980's. This will have been a motivation to campaign for freedom since 1986.

Good luck to him if his conviction is overturned

[JackieD]

Just seen it's over 46 minutes.

Do you believe she committed serious perjury because they split up?

It is a fact Julie is a pathological liar
Adam that is undeniable

[JackieD]

A pathological liar is usually considered manipulative, selfish and cunning. They lie incessantly to get their way and do so with little awareness or guilt.
They use lies to protect themselves when a situation goes bad. Below are a few common features of a pathological liar

These people are excellent liars because they lie constantly and make up stories so unnecessarily and often that it becomes extremely difficult to distinguish the truth from false statements.

They are nearly impossible to catch in the act.

* Their lie is usually goal oriented (i.e., focused, one tells lies to get their way). 
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* Pathological liars have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others.
* They often have no conscience or guilt.
* Pathological liars base their lives around deceit and may deeply hurt their victims.

[Roch]

This is a question for Roch

I have just listened to the podcast regarding submissions
The first point is regarding the phone calls
We are led to believe there is now absolute proof that the phone calls from Jeremy and Neville were definitely made
Surely proof of this makes the whole case fall apart ? Without taking into account any of the other submissions

Hi Jackie,

Due to the way press articles were worded I'm confused about exactly what is being claimed by the defence, with regard to any alleged calls from Nevill. I was going to submit a question about it to the relevant contacts on website/s but didn't get round to it. I'll send one today.

[Bill Robertson]

This years submission will be focusing on technicalities to claim the conviction was unsafe, rather than proving him innocent.

Quite the opposite in fact. The CCRC submission proves that the case against Jeremy was a work of fiction by Ainsley and relies on forgery, perjury and the withholding of evidence that demonstrates that Sheila killed her family. Virtually nothing previously thought to be ‘fact’ in the case is actually true.

[David1819]

Quite the opposite in fact. The CCRC submission proves that the case against Jeremy was a work of fiction by Ainsley and relies on forgery, perjury and the withholding of evidence that demonstrates that Sheila killed her family. Virtually nothing previously thought to be ‘fact’ in the case is actually true.

Have you actually seen and read through the CCRC submission?

[Adam]

Quite the opposite in fact. The CCRC submission proves that the case against Jeremy was a work of fiction by Ainsley and relies on forgery, perjury and the withholding of evidence that demonstrates that Sheila killed her family. Virtually nothing previously thought to be ‘fact’ in the case is actually true.

Why do you believe the police created the industrial frame department?

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer?

What order do you believe Sheila killed the family?

[JackieD]

Quite the opposite in fact. The CCRC submission proves that the case against Jeremy was a work of fiction by Ainsley and relies on forgery, perjury and the withholding of evidence that demonstrates that Sheila killed her family. Virtually nothing previously thought to be ‘fact’ in the case is actually true.

Are you positive Bill about the submissions or do you think there will continue to be cover ups. Is it best to keep the submissions (and all now disclosed evidence ) secret or shouldn’t this all be rolled out to the media channels making it harder for the CCRC to whitewash everything

[JackieD]

Hi Jackie,

Due to the way press articles were worded I'm confused about exactly what is being claimed by the defence, with regard to any alleged calls from Nevill. I was going to submit a question about it to the relevant contacts on website/s but didn't get round to it. I'll send one today.

Thank you