The Official Jeremy Bamber and White House Farm Podcast Series - Season 1

[guest29835]

In the aftermath of the killings.  This is what I think happened. 

[1] The relatives had a very limited understanding of Sheila's illness, which impacted upon their ability to accept Sheila was responsible.  This lack of acceptance (born partly from ignorance) contributed to Jeremy being suspected as involved in the killings.

[2] Some of Jeremy's flippant remarks, mannerisms or actions raised eyebrows among some observers, (ostensibly the relatives).

[2] The relatives needed Jeremy to be responsible for the killings (because of material and financial concerns) .

[4] Therefore, the relatives became unable to view Jeremy's actions and words other than through a prism (whereby he was responsible for the killings).

[5] A few coppers were not that keen on Jeremy and became inclined to align their respect with the relatives.

[6] Once the relatives had secured the willing cooperation of certain police officers, a plan was hatched to effectively blacken Jeremy's name.

[7] Julie Mugford became pivotal in this (possibly she was seen as the weakest link in getting to Jeremy).

[8] Jeremy was briefed against by the relatives and the collusive police officers. Some of this 'black propaganda' may have reached or been directed at Julie.

[9] Julie's split with Jeremy provided her with a reason to turn against him - it also provided the police with an opportunity to isolate her for the purpose of cranking up the propaganda and railroading her towards providing testimony against Jeremy.

[10] Julie had then reached the point of no return and was locked in to the relatives / police version of events forever.

If Jeremy is innocent, this is as good an explanation as any.

[Adam]

At what point do you think Jeremy unscrewed the silencer from the rifle?

After he shot Sheila.

Either pre planned as he already knew about her arm and rifle lenght. Or he realised at the time.

[Adam]

If Jeremy is innocent, this is as good an explanation as any.

Seems that David is on his own. Saying the relatives fabricated the silencer and the police were not involved in the frame.

Although I agree with him that a non corrupt police would not try to get Julie to create a false WS.

[JackieD]

If Jeremy is innocent, this is as good an explanation as any.

As there is no real evidence Jeremy hated his family I find it difficult to believe the relatives ever really believed Jeremy killed his entire family.  It is also becoming clear that many statements regarding Jeremys character have been hidden under PII

Going by what we are reading and listening to what is even more dispicable is when the relatives petitioned there MP to have Jeremy put back to a category A prisoner to make his life as unbearable as possible

The hatred and jealousy of Jeremy was real. They 100% did not know Jeremy was guilty that is a fact

[Adam]

As there is no real evidence Jeremy hated his family I find it difficult to believe the relatives ever really believed Jeremy killed his entire family.  It is also becoming clear that many statements regarding Jeremys character have been hidden under PII

Going by what we are reading and listening to what is even more dispicable is when the relatives petitioned there MP to have Jeremy put back to a category A prisoner to make his life as unbearable as possible

The hatred and jealousy of Jeremy was real. They 100% did not know Jeremy was guilty that is a fact

He stole from them.

[guest29835]

After he shot Sheila.

Either pre planned as he already knew about her arm and rifle lenght. Or he realised at the time.

Therefore you accept that the silencer, with fresh blood in it, was attached to the rifle throughout the assault on the family?

[lookout]

Adam, something that we'll get to know in due course is the person who was responsible for the blood on one silencer and also the person who scraped the Aga with the second silencer. You'll just have to be patient. It will be revealed in the forthcoming appeal.

[Adam]

Therefore you accept that the silencer, with fresh blood in it, was attached to the rifle throughout the assault on the family?

Yes. Makes sense when attempting a 2am massacre.

[guest29835]

Yes. Makes sense when attempting a 2am massacre.

To me, that raises the question of why there wasn't blood in the rifle.  It may not raise that question for you, but it's again a matter for forensic science.  I know next-to-nothing about blood distribution and tension dynamics and so forth.

[Adam]

Adam, something that we'll get to know in due course is the person who was responsible for the blood on one silencer and also the person who scraped the Aga with the second silencer. You'll just have to be patient. It will be revealed in the forthcoming appeal.

 

[JackieD]

In the aftermath of the killings.  This is what I think happened. 

[1] The relatives had a very limited understanding of Sheila's illness, which impacted upon their ability to accept Sheila was responsible.  This lack of acceptance (born partly from ignorance) contributed to Jeremy being suspected as involved in the killings.

[2] Some of Jeremy's flippant remarks, mannerisms or actions raised eyebrows among some observers, (ostensibly the relatives).

[2] The relatives needed Jeremy to be responsible for the killings (because of material and financial concerns) .

[4] Therefore, the relatives became unable to view Jeremy's actions and words other than through a prism (whereby he was responsible for the killings).

[5] A few coppers were not that keen on Jeremy and became inclined to align their respect with the relatives.

[6] Once the relatives had secured the willing cooperation of certain police officers, a plan was hatched to effectively blacken Jeremy's name.

[7] Julie Mugford became pivotal in this (possibly she was seen as the weakest link in getting to Jeremy).

[8] Jeremy was briefed against by the relatives and the collusive police officers. Some of this 'black propaganda' may have reached or been directed at Julie.

[9] Julie's split with Jeremy provided her with a reason to turn against him - it also provided the police with an opportunity to isolate her for the purpose of cranking up the propaganda and railroading her towards providing testimony against Jeremy.

[10] Julie had then reached the point of no return and was locked in to the relatives / police version of events forever.

Roch Could you explain what you mean by point 6. ?? What plan are you referring to?

[Roch]

Roch Could you explain what you mean by point 6. ?? What plan are you referring to?

Ainsley and Stan Jones were comfortable with portraying Jeremy in a bad light, regardless of accuracy. The relatives were comfortable in going along with that.

[Adam]

Ainsley and Stan Jones were comfortable with portraying Jeremy in a bad light, regardless of accuracy. The relatives were comfortable in going along with that.

What policeman got the experts to create false evidence. Or was it a team effort?

[JackieD]

Ainsley and Stan Jones were comfortable with portraying Jeremy in a bad light, regardless of accuracy. The relatives were comfortable in going along with that.

I wanted to know if you believe the relatives were guilty of criminality in there pursuit to make it look like Jeremy was responsible for the murders?

Robert Boutflour wasn’t the only person in the family who had access to the silencer that led to Jeremys conviction

[Adam]

I wanted to know if you believe the relatives were guilty of criminality in there pursuit to make it look like Jeremy was responsible for the murders?

Robert Boutflour wasn’t the only person in the family who had access to the silencer that led to Jeremys conviction

Do you believe the relatives or police fabricated the silencer.

Either way it would have to be a joint effort. The police would have asked the relatives to create false WS's. Or the relatives getting a lot of essential information from the police.