Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[curiousessex]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

If Jeremy is guilty then his need for an alibi can only have been driven by a conscience. If the plot was that good he did not need an alibi.

A locked up and secure farmhouse with 5 dead bodies inside would have been found in the morning by someone.

There is an argument to say, if guilty, two mistakes were made in preventing a perfect crime from remaining unsolved.

The first the alleged telephone call from Nevill and then the calls to JM and the police.

The second was allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eatons at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

The problem of leaving the bodies to be discovered, is that police would of had to investigate every avenue, but by sowing the story of Sheila with a gun via phone calls to police, the investigation is already going towards suicide/murder.

Who knows what evidence was lost through the police falling for the suicide story, as i've said before, this forum may well have been called "should Jeremy Bamber serve as long as the hit man", or "should Jeremy Bamber be hung"

What about the second in allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eaton's at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

Who do you think gave instructions for the keys to be handed to the Eatons?

Apparently Jeremy did not want them and the police had to hand them over to somebody.

At that time and by rights Jeremy should have had them as he was the closest surviving relative.

The Eaton's were an alternative. Apparently Jeremy had already installed Peter Eaton as farm manager.

[vidvic]

The statement below can you name any of these vast majority of journalists you are talking about
I am sure they are not shy about being named?
In stating what you have below I assume you are saying the vast majority of National newspapers think JB is Guilty.  Is that what you are say Vic


I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt1st June

I have already answered this question. Your supplimentary question; No newspapers have one view in my opinion. Some journalists do, some don't. I think the Colchester Gazette have consistantly supported Bamber recently, though in the past were not so supportive. If team JB are going to feed them stories then interest in the case is such that they will run them.

[curiousessex]

Vicvid I have been waiting for an answer re your statements below since the 19th June can I have one today please

I would like to go over a couple of points bought up by vicvid



Also remember that in the first few hours after those dreadful events they rallied round JB and tried to support him. JB knows this to be true.

It was only after things were overheard being told to the police that doubts started to emerge and the events of that night were questioned.I have read many times on here about greedy relatives. I ask you. Do you really believe that the Nevill and June estate would have changed any of the families lives?! That they needed to frame Jeremy for the money? Ridiculous. May 31st


(1)  How long did the relatives rally around and support JB

(2)  What was overheard being told to police

(3)  By who

(4)  Was this fact or wild speculation

(5)  Does anyone here believe that Neville or Junes moneys would have changed relatives lives

(6)  Does anyone on the forum think the relatives needed to frame Jeremy for money

(7)   Which bit is ridiculous

Jackie

On the subject of answering questions, to set an example, will you answer my question to you yesterday posted on another thread.

The question.......

Jackie

It would appear you are in touch or have an in depth knowledge of the CCRC appeal.

What time, according to the current position, did Jeremy call Julie on the morning of 7th August 1985?

[Jackiepreece]

curiousessex I have no idea what is going to be used for the ccrc as the forensic people are still at work and the defence are still asking for evidence under PII hence another 3 month delay.  I would post anything I can up here for everyone.  I knew when the supposed notebook was found but I never believed it was genuine so I didnt post anything

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic about the books?


So your statement regarding journalists is misleading

[Hartley]

I am trying to get hold of a copy of Innocent Man as I've not read it yet.

Vic, this link to a cached webpage on the sleuthing for justice site contains Shaws manuscript although it's incomplete, I'm not sure if there is a better version floating around somewhere.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jP4ZtW5Off0J:www.sleuthingforjustice.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D74%26t%3D2445

[curiousessex]

curiousessex I have no idea what is going to be used for the ccrc as the forensic people are still at work and the defence are still asking for evidence under PII hence another 3 month delay.  I would post anything I can up here for everyone.  I knew when the supposed notebook was found but I never believed it was genuine so I didnt post anything

Jackie

Thank you.

Do you know what time the defence are using for the telephone call from Jeremy to Julie on the morniong of 7th August?

In the alternative, what time do you believe Jeremy rang Julie in the early hours of the morning of 7th August?

[vidvic]

Vidvic about the books?


So your statement regarding journalists is misleading

Journalists work for television not just newspapers Jackie.

I answered your book question.

[vidvic]

I am trying to get hold of a copy of Innocent Man as I've not read it yet.

Vic, this link to a cached webpage on the sleuthing for justice site contains Shaws manuscript although it's incomplete, I'm not sure if there is a better version floating around somewhere.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jP4ZtW5Off0J:www.sleuthingforjustice.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D74%26t%3D2445

Cheers Hartley.

[vidvic]

Vicvid I have been waiting for an answer re your statements below since the 19th June can I have one today please

I would like to go over a couple of points bought up by vicvid



Also remember that in the first few hours after those dreadful events they rallied round JB and tried to support him. JB knows this to be true.

It was only after things were overheard being told to the police that doubts started to emerge and the events of that night were questioned.I have read many times on here about greedy relatives. I ask you. Do you really believe that the Nevill and June estate would have changed any of the families lives?! That they needed to frame Jeremy for the money? Ridiculous. May 31st


(1)  How long did the relatives rally around and support JB
Ann and David came straight round to support him. Pam and Bobby offered loads of help. Peter managed the farm for him. They even cleaned up the house for him to make it less painful to enter. Ask JB.

(2)  What was overheard being told to police
This is well documented.

(3)  By who
Ann, David, Bobby. Again, well documented.

(4)  Was this fact or wild speculation
It was JB saying it. lol.

(5)  Does anyone here believe that Neville or Junes moneys would have changed relatives lives
This question is not to me.

(6)  Does anyone on the forum think the relatives needed to frame Jeremy for money
This question is not to me.

(7)   Which bit is ridiculous

That the family needed the money. I'll say it again, ridiculous.

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic sorry I missed your answer about the books.You have already said that Roger Wilkes supports the relatives but you are quoting something as if it was fact do you know has Roger Wilkes got a website where I can ask a direct question


You make the statement Roger Wilkes appears to have changed his mind from innocent to guilty.
You are in close contact with the relatives who are in contact with Roger Wilkes

So does he think JB is Innocent or Guilty

Maybe he will post on our forum

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic can you explain or details of what was overheard to make the relatives believe JB was responsible for the murders (Hartley normally has this kind of information)

(2)  What was overheard being told to police
This is well documented.




(3)  By who
Ann, David, Bobby. Again, well documented

[Jackiepreece]

Curiousessex sorry I dont have that information

[Hartley]

Vidvic can you explain or details of what was overheard to make the relatives believe JB was responsible for the murders (Hartley normally has this kind of information)

Have a read of Anns statement to COLP, most of your questions are answered already.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,497.msg8443.html#msg8443

[Jackiepreece]

Chochokeira thankyou for your info house in the clouds we must go there one day.

I need some help I am trying to find out how I can get hold of Roger Wilkes I dont think he is on twitter and he is not on Wickipedia have you got any ideas where I can find him?

Thanks