Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[Hartley]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

[Roch]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

[paulg]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

[vidvic]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

[paulg]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

Its just the fact that she gained out of the death of 2 sleeping kids Hartley, ok its indirect, and she may well have been advised to go to the press......but its something well below my own moral values, and so i judge her based on my own morals.

[paulg]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

Can that be backed up in any way?

I'll state once again for the record, they were 2 peas in a pod, bloody unbelievable.

[Jackiepreece]

Hi Paul what % are you thinking it had to be a hit man?

Hartley don't try sucking up to Paul it won't work try asking Paulg if he thinks JM is lovely as you and Jerry think

For that comment you both lose credibility

Vidvic I will deal with you in a minute over unanswered questions

[curiousessex]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

If Jeremy is guilty then his need for an alibi can only have been driven by a conscience. If the plot was that good he did not need an alibi.

A locked up and secure farmhouse with 5 dead bodies inside would have been found in the morning by someone.

There is an argument to say, if guilty, two mistakes were made in preventing a perfect crime from remaining unsolved.

The first the alleged telephone call from Nevill and then the calls to JM and the police.

The second was allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eatons at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

[Hartley]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

Can that be backed up in any way?

I'll state once again for the record, they were 2 peas in a pod, bloody unbelievable.

I've heard that before but put it down to hearsay, it would certainly be interesting if it could be corroborated.

[Jackiepreece]

I bet you disappear in a minute Vidvic difficult questions etc thats your normal trick


JB s 40k deal I will use you phrase wild speculation or fact?

[paulg]

Hi Paul what % are you thinking it had to be a hit man?

Hartley don't try sucking up to Paul it won't work try asking Paulg if he thinks JM is lovely as you and Jerry think

For that comment you both lose credibility

Vidvic I will deal with you in a minute over unanswered questions

75% is a rough figure for hit man, 20% it was JB, 5% it was Sheila........so yes, there is a little doubt in my head.

[vidvic]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

Can that be backed up in any way?

I'll state once again for the record, they were 2 peas in a pod, bloody unbelievable.

Source was one of the defence team.

While they were waiting for the verdict at trial. From 'Blood Relations';

"He was bandying figures for which he planned to sell his story to the newspapers - somewhat unattractive behaviour in the opinion of one of his legal team. A group of them sat with Jeremy, trying to buoy his spirits but feeling increasingly uncomfortable about his obsession with a newspaper deal. The best offer he'd had, he said, was £40,000. Couldn't they get him a better offer than that? After all, he was pointing out, if he was convicted, Julie had been promised £15,000 for her story."

[Hartley]

I bet you disappear in a minute Vidvic difficult questions etc thats your normal trick


JB s 40k deal I will use you phrase wild speculation or fact?

Jackie, we all get busy and come and go as time allows, indeed you yourself dared to go away for a few days recently.

I guess I'm just saying, wait for his reply and then comment, instead of being so confrontational.

[Jackiepreece]

Paulg dont you struggle with the fact surely JB would have had an alibi that doesnt make sense especially if JM knew "tonights the night" I think JB seems stupid but surely not that stupid and I just dont think he hung around in the right circles to know any hit men and I cannot believe a hit man would shoot two 6 year old boys in the head

[Hartley]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

Can that be backed up in any way?

I'll state once again for the record, they were 2 peas in a pod, bloody unbelievable.

Source was one of the defence team.

While they were waiting for the verdict at trial. From 'Blood Relations';

"He was bandying figures for which he planned to sell his story to the newspapers - somewhat unattractive behaviour in the opinion of one of his legal team. A group of them sat with Jeremy, trying to buoy his spirits but feeling increasingly uncomfortable about his obsession with a newspaper deal. The best offer he'd had, he said, was £40,000. Couldn't they get him a better offer than that? After all, he was pointing out, if he was convicted, Julie had been promised £15,000 for her story."

That's interesting, and if true shows that the defence were aware of JM's deal and could have therefore alerted the jury to that fact at any time they wanted.