Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[chochokeira]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

Harters,

As I understand it, Jeremy lost every penny of his inheritance to his extended family. He further spent every penny of his savings funding his fight to establish his innocence. If JB was offered a £40K deal for his story:

1.  Where is this story?

2.  Anyway, good luck to him as this money will have helped to fund his ongoing legal expenses

3.  What legal expenses did JB have? Zero that wasn't reimbursed at huge profit.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

Can that be backed up in any way?

I'll state once again for the record, they were 2 peas in a pod, bloody unbelievable.

I've heard that before but put it down to hearsay, it would certainly be interesting if it could be corroborated.

[paulg]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

If Jeremy is guilty then his need for an alibi can only have been driven by a conscience. If the plot was that good he did not need an alibi.

A locked up and secure farmhouse with 5 dead bodies inside would have been found in the morning by someone.

There is an argument to say, if guilty, two mistakes were made in preventing a perfect crime from remaining unsolved.

The first the alleged telephone call from Nevill and then the calls to JM and the police.

The second was allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eatons at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

The problem of leaving the bodies to be discovered, is that police would of had to investigate every avenue, but by sowing the story of Sheila with a gun via phone calls to police, the investigation is already going towards suicide/murder.

Who knows what evidence was lost through the police falling for the suicide story, as i've said before, this forum may well have been called "should Jeremy Bamber serve as long as the hit man", or "should Jeremy Bamber be hung"

[Jackiepreece]

Vicvid you really will turn into the laughing stock of the forum very soon.

So you can quote blood relations when it suits you but you dont believe David Shaws manuscript

Hartley I am sure Vidvic is big enough to fight his own battles when I talk of him going off the forum it is when I am logged on and he cant answer questions I put to him so he just logs off

[Hartley]

Choc, your quotes seem to have gone a bit awry, but I think I can see which is your post.

I think following JB's conviction, he would not have been permitted to sell his story.

[curiousessex]

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

We must also not forget that JM went to Ellisons Solicitors in Colchester to try and find a way to avoid the press hounding, it was the solicitors who suggested going to a news paper in exchange for a financial agreement. Whilst JM agreed to the deal and gained financially in the sum of £25000 we can therefore judge her morally on that basis, but it clearly shows that it was not her intention from the outset, to gain financially.

oh, I forgot. Bamber had a nice little 40k deal done at trial too and he complained to his defence team that he didn't think it enough "surely you can get me a better deal!"

Can that be backed up in any way?

I'll state once again for the record, they were 2 peas in a pod, bloody unbelievable.

Source was one of the defence team.

While they were waiting for the verdict at trial. From 'Blood Relations';

"He was bandying figures for which he planned to sell his story to the newspapers - somewhat unattractive behaviour in the opinion of one of his legal team. A group of them sat with Jeremy, trying to buoy his spirits but feeling increasingly uncomfortable about his obsession with a newspaper deal. The best offer he'd had, he said, was £40,000. Couldn't they get him a better offer than that? After all, he was pointing out, if he was convicted, Julie had been promised £15,000 for her story."

So the defence / Jeremy knew JM had a deal with a newspaper?

Why did they not use this information during the trial??

[vidvic]

Vicvid you really will turn into the laughing stock of the forum very soon.

So you can quote blood relations when it suits you but you dont believe David Shaws manuscript

Hartley I am sure Vidvic is big enough to fight his own battles when I talk of him going off the forum it is when I am logged on and he cant answer questions I put to him so he just logs off

I have never logged off because you are logged on.

[vidvic]

Vicvid you really will turn into the laughing stock of the forum very soon.

So you can quote blood relations when it suits you but you dont believe David Shaws manuscript

Hartley I am sure Vidvic is big enough to fight his own battles when I talk of him going off the forum it is when I am logged on and he cant answer questions I put to him so he just logs off

I have never logged off because you are logged on.

I might choose to ignore you sometimes.....

[Hartley]

Vicvid you really will turn into the laughing stock of the forum very soon.

So you can quote blood relations when it suits you but you dont believe David Shaws manuscript

Hartley I am sure Vidvic is big enough to fight his own battles when I talk of him going off the forum it is when I am logged on and he cant answer questions I put to him so he just logs off

Oh I'm sure he is, but in keeping with the recent moderation of the forum and good will to all ethos trying to be portrayed, your posts of such a nature stick out and do nothing but instigate the kind of behaviour which is trying to be eliminated.

[Jackiepreece]

So Vidvic which books do you believe

Blood Relations
or
An Innocent Man

[curiousessex]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

If Jeremy is guilty then his need for an alibi can only have been driven by a conscience. If the plot was that good he did not need an alibi.

A locked up and secure farmhouse with 5 dead bodies inside would have been found in the morning by someone.

There is an argument to say, if guilty, two mistakes were made in preventing a perfect crime from remaining unsolved.

The first the alleged telephone call from Nevill and then the calls to JM and the police.

The second was allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eatons at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

The problem of leaving the bodies to be discovered, is that police would of had to investigate every avenue, but by sowing the story of Sheila with a gun via phone calls to police, the investigation is already going towards suicide/murder.

Who knows what evidence was lost through the police falling for the suicide story, as i've said before, this forum may well have been called "should Jeremy Bamber serve as long as the hit man", or "should Jeremy Bamber be hung"

What about the second in allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eaton's at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

[Jackiepreece]

The statement below can you name any of these vast majority of journalists you are talking about
I am sure they are not shy about being named?
In stating what you have below I assume you are saying the vast majority of National newspapers think JB is Guilty.  Is that what you are say Vic


I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt1st June

[Hartley]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

If Jeremy is guilty then his need for an alibi can only have been driven by a conscience. If the plot was that good he did not need an alibi.

A locked up and secure farmhouse with 5 dead bodies inside would have been found in the morning by someone.

There is an argument to say, if guilty, two mistakes were made in preventing a perfect crime from remaining unsolved.

The first the alleged telephone call from Nevill and then the calls to JM and the police.

The second was allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eatons at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

The problem of leaving the bodies to be discovered, is that police would of had to investigate every avenue, but by sowing the story of Sheila with a gun via phone calls to police, the investigation is already going towards suicide/murder.

Who knows what evidence was lost through the police falling for the suicide story, as i've said before, this forum may well have been called "should Jeremy Bamber serve as long as the hit man", or "should Jeremy Bamber be hung"

What about the second in allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eaton's at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

Who do you think gave instructions for the keys to be handed to the Eatons?

[paulg]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.

Ok paul, I'm having a 20% day.... 

Do you think that there was an early phone call to Julie, 3.00am-3.15am, in order to establish an alibi for both Jeremy and Julie?  This would imply Miss Mugford was fully aware of a diabolical scheme to commit murder for inheritance.  Would explain why Bamber seemed nonchalant towards Julie (he assumed she was in no position to have any say about his desires elsewhere... what with her being an accomplice to five murders).. was f***ed once Julie went to police (wasn't expecting that to happen and could hardly point out that she is an accomplice to murder could he?).

I really don't like this scenario     because it has no place in my video   

For me Rochy, a lot of what you say could well be true, but we both know we can put different spin on things.

I certainly wouldn't rule out JM having knowledge of a plot to kill off the family, and being happy to go along with it.

But i think JB's alibi was the phone call from WHF to his house, from the likely hired killer. I do believe that Nevill was killed elsewhere, then dragged to the kitchen, bludgeoned, and had 3 more shots fired into his body.Nevill had 4 fatal head shots, but only 3 bullet cases in the kitchen.

I think the phone call from JB to JM was to give the killer time to escape, before calling the police. I'm guessing it was adrenalin pumping in JB that caused the call to JM, a need to talk with his confidant.

I believe that JB fully expected BT to confirm a phone call from WHF to his house, at roughly 3:10amish, thus giving him an alibi, backed up with a phone call to Mugford.

If Jeremy is guilty then his need for an alibi can only have been driven by a conscience. If the plot was that good he did not need an alibi.

A locked up and secure farmhouse with 5 dead bodies inside would have been found in the morning by someone.

There is an argument to say, if guilty, two mistakes were made in preventing a perfect crime from remaining unsolved.

The first the alleged telephone call from Nevill and then the calls to JM and the police.

The second was allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eatons at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

The problem of leaving the bodies to be discovered, is that police would of had to investigate every avenue, but by sowing the story of Sheila with a gun via phone calls to police, the investigation is already going towards suicide/murder.

Who knows what evidence was lost through the police falling for the suicide story, as i've said before, this forum may well have been called "should Jeremy Bamber serve as long as the hit man", or "should Jeremy Bamber be hung"

What about the second in allowing the keys to White House Farm to be handed to the Eaton's at a time when 4 murders and a suicide was all over the papers.

Confidence i suppose, 4 murders and a suicide all over the papers says it all.

[Jackiepreece]

Vicvid I have been waiting for an answer re your statements below since the 19th June can I have one today please

I would like to go over a couple of points bought up by vicvid



Also remember that in the first few hours after those dreadful events they rallied round JB and tried to support him. JB knows this to be true.

It was only after things were overheard being told to the police that doubts started to emerge and the events of that night were questioned.I have read many times on here about greedy relatives. I ask you. Do you really believe that the Nevill and June estate would have changed any of the families lives?! That they needed to frame Jeremy for the money? Ridiculous. May 31st


(1)  How long did the relatives rally around and support JB

(2)  What was overheard being told to police

(3)  By who

(4)  Was this fact or wild speculation

(5)  Does anyone here believe that Neville or Junes moneys would have changed relatives lives

(6)  Does anyone on the forum think the relatives needed to frame Jeremy for money

(7)   Which bit is ridiculous

[vidvic]

So Vidvic which books do you believe

Blood Relations
or
An Innocent Man

I am trying to get hold of a copy of Innocent Man as I've not read it yet.

Roger Wilkes' book is very powerful because it was JB that made the first contact with him and he came into the project believing there to be a MOJ. He appears to have changed his mind.