Defence agree with prosecution over when Nevill would have phoned Jeremy:

[Kaldin]

The defence suggesting Nevill phoned before being shot, was not an option.

They would have to make up a scenario of how after the call, Nevill then allowed Sheila to get upstairs & then allowed her to shoot him 4 times upstairs, twice from close range in the face.

This would just undermine the defence case as there is no credible scenario. It would also show they did not believe Nevill rang after being shot 4 times.

They didn't have to make anything up because there's no evidence that Nevill was in bed when he was shot.

[Adam]

Ironic since it was the latter who had removed the bedroom telephone in the first place.

Do you believe Nevill would have telephoned Jeremy after being shot 4 times?

The defence and prosecution agree this was the only possible time. This has not been refuted by the CT.

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[Kaldin]

Do you believe Nevill would have telephoned Jeremy after being shot 4 times?

The defence and prosecution agree this was the only possible time. This has not been refuted by the CT.

You're repeating yourself again. Instead of doing that, perhaps you could explain why you think that Nevill couldn't have phoned Jeremy before he was shot.

[Steve_uk]

Do you believe Nevill would have telephoned Jeremy after being shot 4 times?

The defence and prosecution agree this was the only possible time. This has not been refuted by the CT.

Of course not. I don't take Jeremy's story seriously:

-he couldn't remember whether he had telephoned Julie before or after Nevill's call. Obviously if he telephoned her first it gives Jeremy advanced knowledge of the crime.

-he flapped around looking in Yellow Pages for the Chelmsford Police Station number (note it's Jeremy who is the proxy telephone caller to engage police, not Nevill).

-if an uninjured Nevill telephoned Jeremy in an attempt to keep the incident "in-house" it gives Sheila 22 minutes to accomplish her mission.

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[Steve_uk]

You're repeating yourself again. Instead of doing that, perhaps you could explain why you think that Nevill couldn't have phoned Jeremy before he was shot.

It's theoretically possible but highly unlikely, since Nevill would have dealt with the incident himself.

[Adam]

Of course not. I don't take Jeremy's story seriously:

-he couldn't remember whether he had telephoned Julie before or after Nevill's call. Obviously if he telephoned her first it gives Jeremy advanced knowledge of the crime.

-he flapped around looking in Yellow Pages for the Chelmsford Police Station number (note it's Jeremy who is the proxy telephone caller to engage police, not Nevill).

-if an uninjured Nevill telephoned Jeremy in an attempt to keep the incident "in-house" it gives Sheila 22 minutes to accomplish her mission.

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That is a good point. If Nevill was fully fit when ringing Jeremy, it gave Sheila a very small time frame prior to the police arriving.

[Kaldin]

Of course not. I don't take Jeremy's story seriously:

-he couldn't remember whether he had telephoned Julie before or after Nevill's call. Obviously if he telephoned her first it gives Jeremy advanced knowledge of the crime.

-he flapped around looking in Yellow Pages for the Chelmsford Police Station number (note it's Jeremy who is the proxy telephone caller to engage police, not Nevill).

-if an uninjured Nevill telephoned Jeremy in an attempt to keep the incident "in-house" it gives Sheila 22 minutes to accomplish her mission.

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I agree with that last bit. If Nevill rang Jeremy at about 3.10 and the police got there just before 3.50, it didn't give Sheila very long to do all that. Having said that, how long would it take?

[Steve_uk]

I agree with that last bit. If Nevill rang Jeremy at about 3.10 and the police got there just before 3.50, it didn't give Sheila very long to do all that. Having said that, how long would it take?

In her condition all night.

[David1819]

I agree with that last bit. If Nevill rang Jeremy at about 3.10 and the police got there just before 3.50, it didn't give Sheila very long to do all that. Having said that, how long would it take?

Less than 10 minutes IMO.

[Roch]

In her condition all night.

As soon as anyone receives a shot or serious blow, they are partially incapacitated. Also, they are probably in shock, which may hinder their decision making.

[Adam]

In her condition all night.

With 11 shots fired and Sheila coming downstairs to brutally beat Nevill in the kitchen while he spoke to Jeremy for 4 seconds, at least gives her more time to finish everything before the police arrive.

Guessing when Sheila started shooting after a fully fit Nevill made his call, is not plausible. His words do not correspond. Nevill would have also negated Sheila instead.

[Kaldin]

With 11 shots fired and Sheila coming downstairs to brutally beat Nevill in the kitchen while he spoke to Jeremy for 4 seconds, at least gives her more time to finish everything before the police arrive.

Guessing when Sheila started shooting after a fully fit Nevill made his call, is not plausible. His words do not correspond. Nevill would have also negated Sheila instead.

I don't agree with that. If Sheila had started shooting, I doubt Nevill would have rung Jeremy anyway. I don't know why you keep saying that Nevill would have subdued Sheila and disarmed her. He couldn't do that if she was locked in the downstairs shower room. By the time he had a chance to do so, she could have shot him and then his left arm was out of action and he was seriously injured.

[Adam]

I don't agree with that. If Sheila had started shooting, I doubt Nevill would have rung Jeremy anyway. I don't know why you keep saying that Nevill would have subdued Sheila and disarmed her. He couldn't do that if she was locked in the downstairs shower room. By the time he had a chance to do so, she could have shot him and then his left arm was out of action and he was seriously injured.

Oh yes. The locking in the shower room.

[Adam]

Everything points to Nevill being asleep when Sheila opened fire on June. He woke & started moving, which is why two shots were torso shots from feet away.

He ran downstairs to phone Jeremy. But was only able to speak for 4 seconds before being attacked. This explains why Nevill was found bare footed in pyjamas.

An up and fully fit Nevill would have resolved the situation straight away.