Defence agree with prosecution over when Nevill would have phoned Jeremy:

[Adam]

If fully fit and with the time to phone Jeremy, Nevill would have disarmed Sheila instead.

Both parties agreed.

[Kaldin]

I have never read a supporter suggest Nevill rang Jeremy after he had been shot 4 times.

However the prosecution and defence believe it is the only credible time he could and would.

Why?

[Adam]

Why?

Nevill shot upstairs & heads downstairs. Kitchen phone off the hook.

'Gone crazy'  - shots fired.

'Got the gun' - shots fired.

Line dead within 5 seconds - shots fired.

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All adds up to Nevill ringing Jeremy after he had been shot 4 times. As agreed by both parties. Both knowing there is no credible alternative.

[Adam]

The CT are very vague on when Nevill phoned Jeremy. They certainly don't promote him phoning Jeremy after being shot 4 times. However have given no other suggestions.

[Roch]

That was up to them. I don't agree with them - I have a mind of my own.

Refreshing.  I used to place you at 60/40 in favour of guilt.  Then there seemed to be a period where you were more like 55/45 in favour of innocence.  Now I'm not sure.  I always like to have this imagined scale in my head, regarding members' stances for innocence vs guilt.

[Adam]

Why do people believe Nevill rang Jeremy after he had been shot 4 times?

Both the prosecution and Bamber's defence agree this is when the call happened.

[lookout]

Nevill rang obviously before he was shot 

[Adam]

When Bamber was cross examined about the phone call in the drama, he did not suggest it could have been any other time. Don't believe there is anything anywhere from him that it was any other time. His lawyers accepted it was the only possible time.

Don't believe the CT have suggested any other time either.

[Kaldin]

Refreshing.  I used to place you at 60/40 in favour of guilt.  Then there seemed to be a period where you were more like 55/45 in favour of innocence.  Now I'm not sure.  I always like to have this imagined scale in my head, regarding members' stances for innocence vs guilt.

 

I don't know if Nevill did ring Jeremy, but I think it's false to say that he couldn't have done. Of course he could - before he was shot.

[Kaldin]

Why do people believe Nevill rang Jeremy after he had been shot 4 times?

Both the prosecution and Bamber's defence agree this is when the call happened.

What do you mean the prosecution agree when the call happened? I thought they said there was no call. 

[David1819]

What do you mean the prosecution agree when the call happened? I thought they said there was no call. 

He is saying that both agree Nevil would have called Jeremy after he was shot.

This is very unlikely considering there is nothing in the Judges summing about this. No mention of Nevil being too injured to call.

[Adam]

What do you mean the prosecution agree when the call happened? I thought they said there was no call. 

The prosecution agree the call could only have happened after Nevill had been shot 4 times. But say the call did not happen because -

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

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The defence did not counter by saying the call could have happened before Nevill had been shot 4 times. Bamber's evidence of what Nevill said makes this too ridiculous to suggest.

The OS have never disputed that Nevill made his call after the 4 shots.

[David1819]

The prosecution agree the call could only have happened after Nevill had been shot 4 times. But say the call did not happen because -

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

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The defence did not counter by saying the call could have happened before Nevill had been shot 4 times. Bamber's evidence of what Nevill said makes this too ridiculous to suggest.

The OS have never disputed that Nevill made his call after the 4 shots.

There is nothing to stop Nevill picking up a phone prior to getting shot.

[Adam]

There is nothing to stop Nevill picking up a phone prior to getting shot.

Too ridiculous for the prosecution, defence and OS to put forward.

The evidence from Bamber on the call resulted in agreement that Nevill rang after being shot 4 times.

[Kaldin]

There is nothing to stop Nevill picking up a phone prior to getting shot.

No, there isn't - I agree, and I don't know why anyone would think that he couldn't have done that.