Brett Collins

[nugnug]

There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .

Why now after all these years are some people who have  always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?

I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?

Is there something else going on in the background?

i found that a bit odd as well

[ngb1066]

“Brett Collins broke his silence for the first time in over three decades”

Not for the first time in five years then?

No, I think we all know the alleged telephone conversation with Paul Harrison was a load of nonsense (as with a number of of alleged conversations/interviews).

[Jan]

But he left the children in her care, not realizing it was beyond her. I'm sorry but the suspicion in my mind now is that the Jeremy supporters are willing to campaign for the release of Jeremy Bamber on a technicality knowing full well that he shot two six-year-old boys multiple times in the head.

That is a comment that is well out of order. I for one have always said I would not want jeremy out of a “ technicality “:

For one his life would not be worth living .

You don’t have to stoop so low to make your point .

[ngb1066]

Whyever not? One suspects because it has dealt a mortal blow to you and your ilk's campaign.

I made no comment at that stage because as you might have noticed I posted at 11.42 pm, just before going to bed.  I had just seen the front page of the Sunday People on the BBC website and posted the link.  You resort to your usual snide jibes.  How you can suggest this article adds anything meaningful to the case overall beats me and it certainly not deal a mortal blow to any campaign, whether by me or my "ilk", whatever that may mean.  You really are thoroughly obnoxious.

 

[Steve_uk]

That is a comment that is well out of order. I for one have always said I would not want jeremy out of a “ technicality “:

For one his life would not be worth living .

You don’t have to stoop so low to make your point .

It applies to some members if not others.

[JackieD]

She doted on him for the most part, acted as ersatz mother and confidante, did his laundry and decorated the house. Yet there was an incident in a supermarket regarding a bar of soap, so she could answer back at times.

Regarding Christmas 1982- this is not the paragraph I was looking for but does confirm Colin had stayed at White House Farm before:

All of a sudden, Ann broke into our thoughts and came in. She said they had thought it better to put the room back the way Bambs had it. Rather than leave it empty, after the twins' beds had been removed, they brought Bambs's old bed back in. "Have you seen this?" asked Ann, pointing out some words scratched into what looked like new paint on the wardrobe door. "I HATE THIS PLACE," it said. I then remembered the police asking me about it, but on seeing those words I felt as if I had seen them before, in the last year or so-probably when I stayed at Christmas, although I couldn't be absolutely sure. I guess Bambs must have written it out of frustration on one of her earlier, more anguished visits. It seemed sad but now quite unimportant.

I will explain one thing for you Steve there would have been one thing that would have devastated Sheila more than any else and it would have been Colin’s behaviour towards her. He showed on a number of occasions he did not care about her feelings. Sheila thought she was going to have her own proper little family but Colin had others ideas. It is bad enough for a women to cope with one new baby let alone two.  You make sure when discussing Sheila you make it clear Colin had a big part in Sheila anguish. He knew how delicate Sheila was and he let her down. The last thing on Colin’s mind should have been looking after the mother of his children when she was desperately ill and he should have it  been looking for another women
That’s anguish right there

[Jan]

I made no comment at that stage because as you might have noticed I posted at 11.42 pm, just before going to bed.  I had just seen the front page of the Sunday People on the BBC website and posted the link.  You resort to your usual snide jibes.  How you can suggest this article adds anything meaningful to the case overall beats me and it certainly not deal a mortal blow to any campaign, whether by me or my "ilk", whatever that may mean.  You really are thoroughly obnoxious.

Do you think the timings of these interviews especially Julie’s is all a bit odd ? Is there something different about this  proposed third appeal do you think ?

[Steve_uk]

I made no comment at that stage because as you might have noticed I posted at 11.42 pm, just before going to bed.  I had just seen the front page of the Sunday People on the BBC website and posted the link.  You resort to your usual snide jibes.  How you can suggest this article adds anything meaningful to the case overall beats me and it certainly not deal a mortal blow to any campaign, whether by me or my "ilk", whatever that may mean.  You really are thoroughly obnoxious.

Well why didn't you say you were going to bed instead of pompously remarking that you weren't going to comment at that stage, suggesting that you were going to counter with something worthwhile at a later time?

[ngb1066]

Jackie how many witnesses are you and the Campaign Team going to rubbish before the shocking truth finally sinks in: Brett Collins, Colin Caffell, Julie Smerchanski, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour, Liz Rimington, James Richards..

Brett Collins is not a witness.  He was a friend and supporter of JB in the period to the end of the trial.  His conduct and comments at the time did not give any indication that he believed JB to be guilty.  He lost contact with JB and has now surfaced as a result of the ITV drama.  No doubt he has been tempted with prospect of making a bit of money.  Whether he initiated press contact or was tracked down does not matter.  What he has said has no bearing on the question of JB's guilt or innocence.  Perhaps he finds it easier now to adopt a guilty stance to avoid the suggestion that he abandoned his friend to his fate when there was no longer any money in it for him.

It is significant that he does not mention the meeting with the Sun journalist.

 

[ngb1066]

So he has had 35 years to come out with this

The JB gravy train

Brett Collins allegedly is as ‘honest’ as Mugford

Has Brett Collins ever been involved in any illegal practices ?
What’s his financial position now and was he paid for ‘the’ interview?

I am sure he has been paid.

[nugnug]

Do you think the timings of these interviews especially Julie’s is all a bit odd ? Is there something different about this  proposed third appeal do you think ?

funny the chose to make a drama about the case time theyve had 30 years to do it.

[JackieD]

If Sheila did it, why did Nevill call Jeremy and not 999
If Nevill called Jeremy, and said 'Sheila has gone beserk' or 'Sheila has gone crazy' then that would suggest she hadn't yet shot anybody, otherwise the most likely words would be 'She's shot your mother, or shot me'
If she hadn't yet shot Nevill, it doesn't stack up with the evidence.

If Sheila did it, how did the bible have a mirrored pattern on blood on the inside pages (as occurs when a page is closed whilst wet, to create a mirror pattern. The bible was open, suggesting blood had been spilled, the bible closed, then opened again?

If Sheila did it, why was there such little blood evidence on her? Do you believe the ritual cleansing?

If Sheila did it, why choose to commit suicide in her parents room, rather than alone or with the twins?

If Sheila had gone berserk, why no gunshots at random objects as you might expect from a person out of control? - instead the killings were quite deliberate and execution style. Surely 'gone beserk' would imply some shouting and disturbance.

Either she went crazy with a gun, yet miraculously landed almost every shot only at people, and at close range, OR she was executing them, and was disturbed - in which case, Nevill  surely would have phoned 999 and said 'she's killed someone'

We have gone over this a thousand times.
1) Jeremy obviously did not realise how serious things were and
2) the Bambers liked to keep Sheila’s illness hush hush
Jeremy obviously thought ringing the local police might be more discreet

[Steve_uk]

I will explain one thing for you Steve there would have been one thing that would have devastated Sheila more than any else and it would have been Colin’s behaviour towards her. He showed on a number of occasions he did not care about her feelings. Sheila thought she was going to have her own proper little family but Colin had others ideas. It is bad enough for a women to cope with one new baby let alone two.  You make sure when discussing Sheila you make it clear Colin had a big part in Sheila anguish. He knew how delicate Sheila was and he let her down. The last thing on Colin’s mind should have been looking after the mother of his children when she was desperately ill and he should have it  been looking for another women
That’s anguish right there

Colin did seek medical treatment for Sheila but Nevill was set on St. Andrew's, Northampton, where his wife had been previously treated. I think one point on which we both could agree is that if one person is throwing objects around the house and will not respond to reason it's better for the spouse to leave the marital home. Colin's sexual antics have been exaggerated anyway: he always loved Sheila and turned out to be her best friend in the short life she experienced, but she was ill and needed the medical treatment which was beyond Colin's wherewithal to furnish.

[Steve_uk]

Brett Collins is not a witness.  He was a friend and supporter of JB in the period to the end of the trial.  His conduct and comments at the time did not give any indication that he believed JB to be guilty.  He lost contact with JB and has now surfaced as a result of the ITV drama.  No doubt he has been tempted with prospect of making a bit of money.  Whether he initiated press contact or was tracked down does not matter.  What he has said has no bearing on the question of JB's guilt or innocence.  Perhaps he finds it easier now to adopt a guilty stance to avoid the suggestion that he abandoned his friend to his fate when there was no longer any money in it for him.

It is significant that he does not mention the meeting with the Sun journalist.

You skirt round the issue yet again! What about all the other individuals willing to stand in the witness box and testify? Do you deny Brett Collins' assertion that Jeremy didn't get along with his parents and why has Jeremy refused to acknowledge the slightest animosity in that regard since the 1986 trial?

[ngb1066]

It applies to some members if not others.

It is absurd to suggest it applies to any member.