Brett Collins

[Kaldin]

It's in Colin's book.

I would query that. You mean that Sheila and the twins had not stayed overnight since Christmas 1982?

[lookout]

Colin said they were to be there for a week though.

I thought the twins were going to be collected on the Thursday.

[lookout]

Yes but John Hayward's assertion that "there was a lot of blood in the silencer" suggests the notion the Defence floated at trial of Robert Boutflour putting droplets of blood in a silencer via a finger was a non-starter.

We never did find out about RWB's cut finger did we ?

[Kaldin]

I thought the twins were going to be collected on the Thursday.

I don't know. In one statement he said a week, and in another he said a few days.

[Steve_uk]

I would query that. You mean that Sheila and the twins had not stayed overnight since Christmas 1982?

Well the point is not specifically elicited but that previous occasion was alluded to. Since I am stuck inside today I will peruse the book once more.

[JackieD]

Jackie who carried out the murders?

Sheila

[JackieD]

Jeremy liked to provoke a reaction, possibly due to the feeling that his parents were remote emotionally. There's an anecdote in Clare Powell's book of him using Julie to sweet-talk a man at a party, whereupon the former sprang out from some hidey-hole and confronted the couple. It's why he enjoyed the murder of his parents, why he enjoyed the attention of Brett, and why now he basks in the glory of his notoriety, influencing periodically the newbies and the diehard supporters alike as they suggest this or that future strategy, whilst knowing all along he will be incarcerated justly for his crimes for the remainder of his natural life.

Stop Press Steve believes everything he reads in newspapers and books

[Kaldin]

Jeremy liked to provoke a reaction, possibly due to the feeling that his parents were remote emotionally. There's an anecdote in Clare Powell's book of him using Julie to sweet-talk a man at a party, whereupon the former sprang out from some hidey-hole and confronted the couple. It's why he enjoyed the murder of his parents, why he enjoyed the attention of Brett, and why now he basks in the glory of his notoriety, influencing periodically the newbies and the diehard supporters alike as they suggest this or that future strategy, whilst knowing all along he will be incarcerated justly for his crimes for the remainder of his natural life.

What do you mean? Julie did have a mind of her own you know. I'm a bit tired of hearing about her as if she was a complete doormat.

[lookout]

It was Julie's streetwise actions that have landed Jeremy where he is. She is certainly not without blame in many ways. How hardfaced can one be ??

[Steve_uk]

What do you mean? Julie did have a mind of her own you know. I'm a bit tired of hearing about her as if she was a complete doormat.

She doted on him for the most part, acted as ersatz mother and confidante, did his laundry and decorated the house. Yet there was an incident in a supermarket regarding a bar of soap, so she could answer back at times.

Regarding Christmas 1982- this is not the paragraph I was looking for but does confirm Colin had stayed at White House Farm before:

All of a sudden, Ann broke into our thoughts and came in. She said they had thought it better to put the room back the way Bambs had it. Rather than leave it empty, after the twins' beds had been removed, they brought Bambs's old bed back in. "Have you seen this?" asked Ann, pointing out some words scratched into what looked like new paint on the wardrobe door. "I HATE THIS PLACE," it said. I then remembered the police asking me about it, but on seeing those words I felt as if I had seen them before, in the last year or so-probably when I stayed at Christmas, although I couldn't be absolutely sure. I guess Bambs must have written it out of frustration on one of her earlier, more anguished visits. It seemed sad but now quite unimportant.

[lookout]

I don't know. In one statement he said a week, and in another he said a few days.

I had an idea that it wasn't going to be a long stay as June had requested they see her and Nevill before they go on their holidays.

[ngb1066]

But he left the children in her care, not realizing it was beyond her. I'm sorry but the suspicion in my mind now is that the Jeremy supporters are willing to campaign for the release of Jeremy Bamber on a technicality knowing full well that he shot two six-year-old boys multiple times in the head.

What a ridiculous and offensive thing to say.

[TheBrilliantMistake]

Sheila

If Sheila did it, why did Nevill call Jeremy and not 999
If Nevill called Jeremy, and said 'Sheila has gone beserk' or 'Sheila has gone crazy' then that would suggest she hadn't yet shot anybody, otherwise the most likely words would be 'She's shot your mother, or shot me'
If she hadn't yet shot Nevill, it doesn't stack up with the evidence.

If Sheila did it, how did the bible have a mirrored pattern on blood on the inside pages (as occurs when a page is closed whilst wet, to create a mirror pattern. The bible was open, suggesting blood had been spilled, the bible closed, then opened again?

If Sheila did it, why was there such little blood evidence on her? Do you believe the ritual cleansing?

If Sheila did it, why choose to commit suicide in her parents room, rather than alone or with the twins?

If Sheila had gone berserk, why no gunshots at random objects as you might expect from a person out of control? - instead the killings were quite deliberate and execution style. Surely 'gone beserk' would imply some shouting and disturbance.

Either she went crazy with a gun, yet miraculously landed almost every shot only at people, and at close range, OR she was executing them, and was disturbed - in which case, Nevill  surely would have phoned 999 and said 'she's killed someone'

[Steve_uk]

If Sheila did it, why did Nevill call Jeremy and not 999
If Nevill called Jeremy, and said 'Sheila has gone beserk' or 'Sheila has gone crazy' then that would suggest she hadn't yet shot anybody, otherwise the most likely words would be 'She's shot your mother, or shot me'
If she hadn't yet shot Nevill, it doesn't stack up with the evidence.

If Sheila did it, how did the bible have a mirrored pattern on blood on the inside pages (as occurs when a page is closed whilst wet, to create a mirror pattern. The bible was open, suggesting blood had been spilled, the bible closed, then opened again?

If Sheila did it, why was there such little blood evidence on her? Do you believe the ritual cleansing?

If Sheila did it, why choose to commit suicide in her parents room, rather than alone or with the twins?

If Sheila had gone berserk, why no gunshots at random objects as you might expect from a person out of control? - instead the killings were quite deliberate and execution style. Surely 'gone beserk' would imply some shouting and disturbance.

Either she went crazy with a gun, yet miraculously landed almost every shot only at people, and at close range, OR she was executing them, and was disturbed - in which case, Nevill  surely would have phoned 999 and said 'she's killed someone'

Quite so.

[Jan]

There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .

Why now after all these years are some people who have  always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?

I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?

Is there something else going on in the background?