Brett Collins

[JackieD]

There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .

Why now after all these years are some people who have  always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?

I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?

Is there something else going on in the background?

I think you are right Jan. just before JB’s last application to appeal was being put forward everything was looking good Jeremy had big help from high profile Solicitors, pro bono highly qualified barrister MWT and Jeremy had been told he had as much time as he needed to put forward his application to the CCRC
Gun tests were going to be carried out in America and then almost immediately all of this help came on board the ccrc shut the case Dow and said JB could nog have anymore time
There is something very wrong here

[ngb1066]

Do you think the timings of these interviews especially Julie’s is all a bit odd ? Is there something different about this  proposed third appeal do you think ?

I am not sure.  I am not any longer in the loop as far as a further appeal is concerned.  I am sure things are happening but I am not able to form a view on how far the legal team have got and whether a fresh set of submissions to the CCRC are imminent.  All that has been said publicly as far as I am aware is that legal proceedings are underway to compel disclosure of additional documents.

I am not aware of any recent interview with Julie Mugford.  Has there been one?

[ngb1066]

Well why didn't you say you were going to bed instead of pompously remarking that you weren't going to comment at that stage, suggesting that you were going to counter with something worthwhile at a later time?

You are an idiot.

[ngb1066]

You skirt round the issue yet again! What about all the other individuals willing to stand in the witness box and testify? Do you deny Brett Collins' assertion that Jeremy didn't get along with his parents and why has Jeremy refused to acknowledge the slightest animosity in that regard since the 1986 trial?

How well Jeremy got on with his parents is hardly a central issue in the case.  As far as individuals other than Brett Collins are concerned, they have nothing to do with this thread which is about the Sunday People front page article about Brett Collins.

[JackieD]

You skirt round the issue yet again! What about all the other individuals willing to stand in the witness box and testify? Do you deny Brett Collins' assertion that Jeremy didn't get along with his parents and why has Jeremy refused to acknowledge the slightest animosity in that regard since the 1986 trial?

Again

One for you Steve

No money involved


Timothy Ernest
 
I worked with Jeremy many years ago and I got to know him very well through this job. To me he spoke about farming a lot and seemed to enjoy it and wanted to develop the way that the farm worked, he wanted to use new technology at the time to further the business. To be truthful I think this work was just light relief for him, never did I think that he took it seriously or preferred it to farming. He was never flash with money but was hardly ever short of it.
I spent time with him at his cottage in Goldhanger, he was the sort of person who always had time for me, and I visited White House Farm and met his family a couple of times. I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I

thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view. Never did Jeremy come across as angry in my presence and never did he speak badly of any person especially his parents and always seemed very appreciative of what they had done for him.
I was reeling with shock from what had happened at White House Farm and none of it made sense. I came to question myself about whether I really knew Jeremy because of the things said about him by other people, my gut instincts were that he hadn’t committed the murders and the way I had felt about Julie always remained the same and was compounded by her media interviews. The reports in the press seemed so overwhelming at the time. People felt afraid to stand up for Jeremy fearing such association would blacken their character but I knew a number of people who held the same beliefs as myself but did nothing.

I didn’t contact Jeremy again until many years later, I found him welcoming and I enjoyed the same warmth of character in his letters. I feel regret that I turned my back for so many years and this testimony is my way of saying I’m sorry Jeremy I should have spoken for you sooner. I know you are innocent and always did.

Timothy

[lookout]

There is something a big odd going on here . There have been many books and many programmes over the years about whitehouse farm .

Why now after all these years are some people who have  always refused or resisted interviews coming out of the woodwork?

I can’t see the programme on its own could have had that affect ?

Is there something else going on in the background?

I have thought for long enough now whether there is indeed something going on in the background and knowing what happened in the McCann case where a crooked solicitor was touting for money from " non-supporters " of the McCanns----to the tune of £50,000 in order to pay for Amaral's court costs etc when he'd been accused of writing his " book of lies ".
For all any of us know the same collection could be going on to block any forthcoming appeals----if the price is right. There's something fishy ahead since the guilters have increased their discussion a few notches.  Authors and so-called witnesses are swarming in like flies.

Looking back, it only took an outsider ( relative ) to complain about JB's prison category to be increased again after it had been reduced, so anything goes, seemingly.

[Steve_uk]

You are an idiot.

Leaving aside personal comments why do you think Brett Collins has changed his mind about the guilt of Jeremy Bamber when he probably would have received the same payment for reasserting his innocence?

[JackieD]

I have said it before that you are connected to Julie Mugford but you have never said how

[Jan]

I am not sure.  I am not any longer in the loop as far as a further appeal is concerned.  I am sure things are happening but I am not able to form a view on how far the legal team have got and whether a fresh set of submissions to the CCRC are imminent.  All that has been said publicly as far as I am aware is that legal proceedings are underway to compel disclosure of additional documents.

I am not aware of any recent interview with Julie Mugford.  Has there been one?






https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982223/Girlfriend-evidence-helped-jail-Jeremy-Bamber-White-House-Farm-murders.html

[Jan]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982223/Girlfriend-evidence-helped-jail-Jeremy-Bamber-White-House-Farm-murders.html

[TheBrilliantMistake]

We have gone over this a thousand times.
1) Jeremy obviously did not realise how serious things were and
2) the Bambers liked to keep Sheila’s illness hush hush
Jeremy obviously thought ringing the local police might be more discreet

You haven't read the questions properly. I will rephrase them to aid clarity...

If Sheila was the killer, and she had already shot someone when Nevill called Jeremy:
1) Why did he not phone 999? (it had already gone beyond trying to keep it hush hush)
2) Even if he phoned Jeremy, why didn't he say 'Sheila's shot your mother!'

If Sheila had indeed gone beserk and held the weapon..
3) Why didn't she shoot anything other than people. i.e. why not blast a window, or a wall too as you might expect in a fit of rage?
4) If she had not already killed when Nevill called Jeremy, then surely her 'berserk' behaviour would have disturbed others, yet the evidence suggests not. Any explanation?
5) With the exception of a fight with Nevill, there killings have all the appearances of a quite deliberate close range act, which is at odds with the randomness of a mentally ill young woman going 'berserk'. Why?

[Steve_uk]

How well Jeremy got on with his parents is hardly a central issue in the case.  As far as individuals other than Brett Collins are concerned, they have nothing to do with this thread which is about the Sunday People front page article about Brett Collins.

Don't be silly. The last person who claimed such parameters in debate was Luminous Wanderer and he did make himself appear ridiculous. The fact is that Jeremy Bamber akin to David Bain both refuse to acknowledge the discord in their respective families because of the deluge of hatred this would unleash, leaving the average person in the street fully aware of why the murders occurred in each case.

[ngb1066]

Leaving aside personal comments why do you think Brett Collins has changed his mind about the guilt of Jeremy Bamber when he probably would have received the same payment for reasserting his innocence?

I made a suggestion about this in an earlier post.  He may feel guilty about not keeping in contact when there was no longer any material benefit in doing so.  Suggesting he believes Jeremy to be guilty provides some excuse for that.   Otherwise, I have no idea.  It is clearly not upon the basis of any new evidence or analysis of the evidence presented at trial. 

[JackieD]

You haven't read the questions properly. I will rephrase them to aid clarity...

If Sheila was the killer, and she had already shot someone when Nevill called Jeremy:
1) Why did he not phone 999? (it had already gone beyond trying to keep it hush hush)
2) Even if he phoned Jeremy, why didn't he say 'Sheila's shot your mother!'

If Sheila had indeed gone beserk and held the weapon..
3) Why didn't she shoot anything other than people. i.e. why not blast a window, or a wall too as you might expect in a fit of rage?
4) If she had not already killed when Nevill called Jeremy, then surely her 'berserk' behaviour would have disturbed others, yet the evidence suggests not. Any explanation?
5) With the exception of a fight with Nevill, there killings have all the appearances of a quite deliberate close range act, which is at odds with the randomness of a mentally ill young woman going 'berserk'. Why?

Again

One for you Steve

No money involved


Timothy Ernest
 
I worked with Jeremy many years ago and I got to know him very well through this job. To me he spoke about farming a lot and seemed to enjoy it and wanted to develop the way that the farm worked, he wanted to use new technology at the time to further the business. To be truthful I think this work was just light relief for him, never did I think that he took it seriously or preferred it to farming. He was never flash with money but was hardly ever short of it.
I spent time with him at his cottage in Goldhanger, he was the sort of person who always had time for me, and I visited White House Farm and met his family a couple of times. I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I

thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view. Never did Jeremy come across as angry in my presence and never did he speak badly of any person especially his parents and always seemed very appreciative of what they had done for him.
I was reeling with shock from what had happened at White House Farm and none of it made sense. I came to question myself about whether I really knew Jeremy because of the things said about him by other people, my gut instincts were that he hadn’t committed the murders and the way I had felt about Julie always remained the same and was compounded by her media interviews. The reports in the press seemed so overwhelming at the time. People felt afraid to stand up for Jeremy fearing such association would blacken their character but I knew a number of people who held the same beliefs as myself but did nothing.

I didn’t contact Jeremy again until many years later, I found him welcoming and I enjoyed the same warmth of character in his letters. I feel regret that I turned my back for so many years and this testimony is my way of saying I’m sorry Jeremy I should have spoken for you sooner. I know you are innocent and always did.

Timothy

Steve are you calling Timothy a liar or do you accept what he says???

[JackieD]

You haven't read the questions properly. I will rephrase them to aid clarity...

If Sheila was the killer, and she had already shot someone when Nevill called Jeremy:
1) Why did he not phone 999? (it had already gone beyond trying to keep it hush hush)
2) Even if he phoned Jeremy, why didn't he say 'Sheila's shot your mother!'

If Sheila had indeed gone beserk and held the weapon..
3) Why didn't she shoot anything other than people. i.e. why not blast a window, or a wall too as you might expect in a fit of rage?
4) If she had not already killed when Nevill called Jeremy, then surely her 'berserk' behaviour would have disturbed others, yet the evidence suggests not. Any explanation?
5) With the exception of a fight with Nevill, there killings have all the appearances of a quite deliberate close range act, which is at odds with the randomness of a mentally ill young woman going 'berserk'. Why?

how do you know someone had already been shot?