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Offline lookout

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Re: What was Nevill doing during Sheila's first rifle load? Poll.
« Reply #90 on: February 07, 2020, 09:21:PM »
I think you're pulling our legs Adam. :)
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« Reply #91 on: February 07, 2020, 09:26:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 07, 2020, 09:17:PM
And thank you for telling me Sheila's legs were not pulled after the second shot.

As David said, the expert had the wrong degree.

Well after watching the body in the pool last night it seemed to take 4 experts even to determine the cause of death,

It appears experts are not always what they seem
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« Reply #92 on: February 07, 2020, 09:29:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 07, 2020, 09:17:PM
And thank you for telling me Sheila's legs were not pulled after the second shot.

As David said, the expert had the wrong degree.

You think Sheila's legs were pulled after the second shot? Do you mean that her head was up against the cabinet when the blood was flowing from her mouth? How come it didn't run down her face?
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« Reply #93 on: February 07, 2020, 09:29:PM »
Quote from: Jan on February 07, 2020, 09:26:PM
Well after watching the body in the pool last night it seemed to take 4 experts even to determine the cause of death,

It appears experts are not always what they seem

Yes that was an interesting documentary.
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« Reply #94 on: February 07, 2020, 09:31:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 07, 2020, 09:29:PM
Yes that was an interesting documentary.

Not actually finished watching it yet l got to where the hospital was implicated. That was bad enough .
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« Reply #95 on: February 07, 2020, 09:35:PM »
Quote from: Kaldin on February 07, 2020, 09:29:PM
You think Sheila's legs were pulled after the second shot? Do you mean that her head was up against the cabinet when the blood was flowing from her mouth? How come it didn't run down her face?

Going by what the COA said an expert says. But he does not get David's approval so can't be right.

Sheila was shot in the neck.
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« Reply #96 on: February 07, 2020, 09:37:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 07, 2020, 09:35:PM
Going by what the COA said an expert says. But he does not get David's approval so can't be right.

Sheila was shot in the neck.

She was shot in the neck the first time. The second time, she was shot under her chin. The bullet went upwards into her brain, and that's why she was bleeding from the mouth and also her nose. The blood didn't go down her face, it went across on both sides towards her ears.
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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2020, 02:43:PM »
Quote from: Kaldin on February 07, 2020, 09:37:PM
She was shot in the neck the first time. The second time, she was shot under her chin. The bullet went upwards into her brain, and that's why she was bleeding from the mouth and also her nose. The blood didn't go down her face, it went across on both sides towards her ears.

Yes the photo shows blood going sideways from her mouth and neck.

If she was sitting up when shot the first time, obviously she was instantly knocked out and laid down. The second shot fired as she was still breathing.
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« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2020, 02:47:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 08, 2020, 02:43:PM
Yes the photo shows blood going sideways from her mouth and neck.

If she was sitting up when shot the first time, obviously she was instantly knocked out and laid down. The second shot fired as she was still breathing.

So her head was not up against the cabinet then, and she was not moved by someone pulling her legs.
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« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2020, 02:49:PM »
Quote from: Kaldin on February 08, 2020, 02:47:PM
So her head was not up against the cabinet then, and she was not moved by someone pulling her legs.

It is quite possible both shots were fired with Sheila laying down.

The COA expert is saying her legs were pulled after the second shot.
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« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2020, 02:52:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 08, 2020, 02:49:PM
It is quite possible both shots were fired with Sheila laying down.

The COA expert is saying her legs were pulled after the second shot.

Why would her legs be pulled? The only reason would be to pull her away from the cabinet. She was not leaning against the cabinet after the second shot. If she had been, the blood would have run down her face - as I said - and it did not.
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« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2020, 02:56:PM »
Quote from: Kaldin on February 08, 2020, 02:52:PM
Why would her legs be pulled? The only reason would be to pull her away from the cabinet. She was not leaning against the cabinet after the second shot. If she had been, the blood would have run down her face - as I said - and it did not.

You will have to ask Jeremy why he did that. The evidence shows he did.
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« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2020, 03:01:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 08, 2020, 02:56:PM
You will have to ask Jeremy why he did that. The evidence shows he did.

No it doesn't. The evidence shows that she was not pulled anywhere.
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« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2020, 03:05:PM »
Quote from: Kaldin on February 08, 2020, 03:01:PM
No it doesn't. The evidence shows that she was not pulled anywhere.

I posted the COA section yesterday.

Maybe Mike has an explanation.
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« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2020, 03:10:PM »
Quote from: Adam on February 08, 2020, 03:05:PM
I posted the COA section yesterday.

Maybe Mike has an explanation.

I know.

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From the blood staining he concluded that following the second and fatal shot Sheila Caffell was lying almost flat on her back with her head propped against a bedside cabinet.

From the blood staining and flow, I conclude that Sheila's head was not propped against a bedside cabinet.
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