The Truth and the Documentary

[Steve_uk]

Why ? What's it all for ? What's the purpose of this rank hatred ?

Not hatred lookout but pity, though I can't speak for Colin. How about him admitting what he's done instead of leading yet more gullible people up the garden path..

[lookout]

Not hatred lookout but pity, though I can't speak for Colin. How about him admitting what he's done instead of leading yet more gullible people up the garden path..

Doesn't sound like pity to me Steve.
It's a resounding hatred that emanates from Jane which is so obvious. I couldn't express such feeling if I tried. Because she's so emphatic that JB is the murderer she doesn't have to include her forked tongue every time she posts------it's getting worse and it hits you when you read them.
Nothing clever about it because they don't include anything else but her own thoughts, or else a sad way of getting rid of her own angst.
We can all feel frustrated at times and " lose it " but no way could I ever put on such a performance of visual hatred and sheer bitterness . Maybe because it's not in me to do so. How can a person keep that going ? Now't so queer as folk is there ?

I'm far from gullible Steve and know a criminal when I see one be it male or female but I don't go off on a tangent because I feel JB to be an innocent victim. He's never going to admit to something he hasn't/ didn't do, nor would any of us unless you're one of the Stefan Kiszko's of this world who didn't know what they were doing.
I'm almost certain that Colin knows deep down that JB wasn't the murderer but as the years have gone by it's suited him to let sleeping dogs lie, especially now with this Drama being aired. All will be not as it seems that's for sure.

Thank God I'm a genuine person, that's all I can say.

[Jane]

Why ? What's it all for ? What's the purpose of this rank hatred ?

Please don't start talking about "rank hatred" leveled against Jeremy. You were one of those who'd have been more than happy that Julie's innocent husband, who she didn't meet until she went abroad after the trial, and children, who were yet to be conceived, be told about her past life. I fail to see the purpose behind destroying someone's family life, ruining their children's lives, and, possibly, their marriage. Some here rejoiced at the thought. I'm not saying you did, but you weren't opposed to it.

[lookout]

Please don't start talking about "rank hatred" leveled against Jeremy. You were one of those who'd have been more than happy that Julie's innocent husband, who she didn't meet until she went abroad after the trial, and children, who were yet to be conceived, be told about her past life. I fail to see the purpose behind destroying someone's family life, ruining their children's lives, and, possibly, their marriage. Some here rejoiced at the thought. I'm not saying you did, but you weren't opposed to it.

What's this got to do with anything I said previously ? Nothing, so refrain from trying to dish the dirt.

[Jane]

What's this got to do with anything I said previously ? Nothing, so refrain from trying to dish the dirt.

I was simply wondering why anything said against Jeremy is seen as rank hatred, whilst any action taken to make Julie's life miserable is seen as acceptable. If there's no dirt, dishing it wouldn't be possible.

[Steve_uk]

Coming back to the subject of this thread:

1) It looks like Julie is not going to make a sudden revelation that she lied on oath in court in 1986, whatever camp you're in. Attempting to nail her for signing a newspaper deal however distasteful it was is very much second best.

2) PC West & Co. are not going to change their evidence one iota about not speaking directly to Nevill that morning. The Bamberettes can write whatever lengthy perjury articles they like but these guys won't budge.

3) However suspicious some regard the silencer evidence it looks like the Eatons are firmly established at White House Farm with nobody in the inner circle about to betray a trust, that is if there is one to betray.

This leaves the Jeremy supporters skirting round the main issue: how to prove his innocence.

[lookout]

I was simply wondering why anything said against Jeremy is seen as rank hatred, whilst any action taken to make Julie's life miserable is seen as acceptable. If there's no dirt, dishing it wouldn't be possible.

It's your tone and attitude. Enough said.

[lookout]

I was never under any illusion that anyone else either in or out of court that day, would face any sort of a enquiry or a charge of perjury. It was never going to happen, even I could work that one out.
Should JB's release come about, again, there'll be no arrests made-------not after all the years that have passed besides other reasons within the legal system that I'm not familiar with but which exonerate others of wrong-doing.

[lookout]

Se La Vie as the phrase goes.

[Jane]

It's your tone and attitude. Enough said.

What are you saying is unacceptable about my "tone and attitude"?

[ILB]

Are you telling us that you, and every prisoner is routinely tested for psychopathy on a yearly basis?!!! Why? What purpose does such serve? Why would the authorities care one way or the other? It's not even as if it's a curable condition.

just to clarify I was released from prison in July 1997....

[ILB]

Exactly the same as the invective sent to Colin.

on the contrary it's a complete different scenario entirely, although Colin was the father of the twins
 He is unconnected to the case in the same magnitude reference criminal proceedings as Julie was. Her of course, being the prosecutions star witness....

[Steve_uk]

on the contrary it's a complete different scenario entirely, although Colin was the father of the twins
 He is unconnected to the case in the same magnitude reference criminal proceedings as Julie was. Her of course, being the prosecutions star witness....

Then by your logic Julie should have copped it by a far greater magnitude.

[Jane]

Doesn't sound like pity to me Steve.
It's a resounding hatred that emanates from Jane which is so obvious. I couldn't express such feeling if I tried. Because she's so emphatic that JB is the murderer she doesn't have to include her forked tongue every time she posts------it's getting worse and it hits you when you read them.
Nothing clever about it because they don't include anything else but her own thoughts, or else a sad way of getting rid of her own angst.
We can all feel frustrated at times and " lose it " but no way could I ever put on such a performance of visual hatred and sheer bitterness . Maybe because it's not in me to do so. How can a person keep that going ? Now't so queer as folk is there ?

I'm far from gullible Steve and know a criminal when I see one be it male or female but I don't go off on a tangent because I feel JB to be an innocent victim. He's never going to admit to something he hasn't/ didn't do, nor would any of us unless you're one of the Stefan Kiszko's of this world who didn't know what they were doing.
I'm almost certain that Colin knows deep down that JB wasn't the murderer but as the years have gone by it's suited him to let sleeping dogs lie, especially now with this Drama being aired. All will be not as it seems that's for sure.

Thank God I'm a genuine person, that's all I can say.

Genuine? YOU? With your talent for projection and blowing your own trumpet? Genuinely nasty, perhaps. As filled with hatred as you accuse me of being, certainly. Recall, for a moment, what you were happy to support happening to Julie before you accuse me of feeling hatred. I'd certainly have labeled that as bitterness delivered with a forked tongue. If I'm, as you claim, getting worse, it's entirely in response to what you say in your posts and how you try to elevate yourself to a status in knowledge beyond that of professionals.

 Things have moved on since you did your course in mental health, Lookout -when was it? Back in the 60's?- ideas have changed since I did psychology in the 90's. There are new kids on the block now. New ways of looking at, and dealing with, the same conditions. I'm very much afraid that some of your ideas about mental illness and psych disorders are as outdated as some of the nursing methods that were once employed. However, as I didn't train to nurse, I make no claim about knowing more about it than you. I trained to counsel, which is what I still do. I'd prefer that you don't disrespect it.

[ILB]

Then by your logic Julie should have copped it by a far greater magnitude.

no completely wrong Steve, I'm sure that in the early stages in his imprisonment and conviction Jeremy was absolutely raging and bitter towards Julie. But to be honest in the actual sense of the thing where utlimately would that bitterness get him. Reference winning an appeal. It's not enough to amount a challenge against conviction about someone who is lying because she was believed back in 86. The jury believed Julie. What is the point of Jeremy trying to undermine her