Marks on Nevils arm.

[Adam]

Sheila might have been angry with June because of the earlier discussion. Maybe Nevill didn't think June should be around guns. I don't know, but I don't really have a problem with the idea of Nevill ringing Jeremy. I'm not saying he did ring Jeremy, just that he could have done.

Nevill should have got June. It might have stopped her being shot 5 times while asleep.

Jeremy arrived 40 minutes later & wouldn't go within 50 feet of WHF.

[Steve_uk]

Hmmm, I don't know. I just wonder what his plan was. Did he hope to shoot them all in bed, apart from Sheila,or did he expect any of them to put up a fight? I don't think that an assault/fight in the kitchen was something he anticipated. Wouldn't he just kill Nevill at the first opportunity?

I think he tested the rifle on the twins first, then proceeded into the master bedroom where he opened fire again, then shooting Nevill again in the hallway as the latter made a desperate attempt to reach the kitchen telephone.

[Steve_uk]

Nevill's Will specified that after certain bequests, the main residue of his estate would go to Jeremy, so there was no advantage in killing Nevill after June. In fact, some people have said he would kill Nevill first to take out the main resistance. I haven't seen June's Will, so I don't know what it said.

Let's say that the plan went wrong, and Nevill wasn't killed or incapacitated in the bedroom. He went down to the kitchen for some reason and Jeremy followed him. Would Jeremy really be in such a rage that he beat Nevill rather than kill him straightaway in some kind of revenge?

I can't read anything into where Sheila would have shot herself.

A common misconception is Nevill left everything to Jeremy. In fact he bequeathed his liquid assets to his wife with £10000 going to his daughter, the farming business went to Jeremy, though I doubt Nevill in his heart of hearts really felt his son was going to persist with it. June left her share Osea Road to Sheila along with an adjoining field, to be managed by James Carr, the residue of her estate bequeathed to Jeremy.

Of course with five victims dying at the same time the stipulations of the will were in effect made meaningless, as Jeremy would inherit everything.

[Adam]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2019/10/jeremy-bamber-case-statement-following-mirror-article&ved=2ahUKEwiHlN2nq87lAhWuQEEAHVufAnE4FBAWMAR6BAgEEAE&usg=AOvVaw1M-aOTGxmjGr73dbyg8SSA

Ohhhh.

[Steve_uk]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2019/10/jeremy-bamber-case-statement-following-mirror-article&ved=2ahUKEwiHlN2nq87lAhWuQEEAHVufAnE4FBAWMAR6BAgEEAE&usg=AOvVaw1M-aOTGxmjGr73dbyg8SSA

Ohhhh.

They have no legal leg to stand on, however much they care to dress it up.

[Caroline]

"We do not propose therefore as Jeremy's legal team  to further elaborate on the grounds to be advanced or other actions that may be imminent at this stage , however we expect to make a further statement in the coming weeks"

Isn't that a contradiction? We're not going to say anything but will say something in the coming weeks? 

[Steve_uk]

"We do not propose therefore as Jeremy's legal team  to further elaborate on the grounds to be advanced or other actions that may be imminent at this stage , however we expect to make a further statement in the coming weeks"

Isn't that a contradiction? We're not going to say anything but will say something in the coming weeks? 

They're not going to be specific at this stage but leave us dangling until the story is forgotten or there will be less expectation for them to produce something worthwhile.

[Kaldin]

There were no fostering discussions at supper.

In your opinion.

[Steve_uk]

In your opinion.

Kaldin it simply wouldn't have happened. June was fiercely protective of the twins, it was the reason she bought Sheila the Maida Vale flat in the first place, she had even on one occasion waited outside the school gates on a Friday afternoon to take them to the Farm. There may have been some suggestion that local girls be brought in to care for them whilst Sheila spent a holiday in Bournemouth but to imply somehow that Social Services become involved with the Bambers at Witham is a nonsense.

[Caroline]

Kaldin it simply wouldn't have happened. June was fiercely protective of the twins, it was the reason she bought Sheila the Maida Vale flat in the first place, she had even on one occasion waited outside the school gates on a Friday afternoon to take them to the Farm. There may have been some suggestion that local girls be brought in to care for them whilst Sheila spent a holiday in Bournemouth but to imply somehow that Social Services become involved with the Bambers at Witham is a nonsense.

And Colin had custody so it was never their decision to make.

[Kaldin]

I do think there was a conversation about Sheila's future and that of the twins. Whether that contained references to fostering, I have no idea.

[Jane]

I do think there was a conversation about Sheila's future and that of the twins. Whether that contained references to fostering, I have no idea.

I imagine such conversations take place in many homes. Grandparents like to be abreast of what's happening in their adult children and grandchildren's lives................especially when they're helping financially.

[Steve_uk]

I do think there was a conversation about Sheila's future and that of the twins. Whether that contained references to fostering, I have no idea.

There was indeed, instigated by Jeremy wishing to sow familial discord, accusing his sister of being an unfit mother and that her children would be taken away from her. Fortunately I don't think Sheila was too troubled, knowing how popular the twins were with her parents, but angering Nevill, which is why farm secretary Barbara Wilson sensed the discord when she telephoned later that evening at 9:30pm.

[Adam]

Bamber had no need to start an argument when he went for supper. It would make no difference to his 2am attack.

He would have loaded the rifle complete with silencer & may have gone out to shoot imaginary rabbits.

He would have monitored Sheila to make sure she would be easily controlled. Then made sure neither of the twins had been rushed to hospital with a sprained ankle etc. He may have left the downstairs bathroom window ajar & left the rifle in an easy to access location.

After this it was home to ring Julie & make sure the bikes tyres were fully pumped.

[Kaldin]

All this is speculation.