Marks on Nevils arm.

[Adam]

People do threaten to kill themselves you know. According to Jeremy, there had been some debate about the children earlier.

It might not have occurred to Nevill that she would kill anyone else. Perhaps she was pointing the gun at her neck. Would you risk taking it off her?

Nevill might have phoned Jeremy so he could come and help talk her out of it.

Why didn't Nevill ask June to help him talk Sheila out of it?

[Jane]

People do threaten to kill themselves you know. According to Jeremy, there had been some debate about the children earlier.

It might not have occurred to Nevill that she would kill anyone else. Perhaps she was pointing the gun at her neck. Would you risk taking it off her?

Nevill might have phoned Jeremy so he could come and help talk her out of it.

I'd have thought Jeremy would have been the very last person he'd have called for that purpose. Besides which, had she been hell bent on suicide, she'd hardly have given her father the chance to talk her out of it.

[Adam]

I've said that Nevill was shot in the bedroom, but there's no evidence that he just got out of bed. He wasn't shot in bed - that's obvious.

You don't agree with Caroline then. She thinks Nevill was shot as he came up the stairs.

Bamber opened fire on June. Five shots in quick succession while she slept. Silencer on meaning minimal noise.

Nevill was next but woke & got out of bed seconds beforehand.

Bamber still managed two close range head shots before retreating backwards as Nevill advanced. Nevill was a big man.

Bamber's next two shots were from feet rather than inches away. Both hitting Nevill in the torso.

[Kaldin]

Why didn't Nevill ask June to help him talk Sheila out of it?

Sheila might have been angry with June because of the earlier discussion. Maybe Nevill didn't think June should be around guns. I don't know, but I don't really have a problem with the idea of Nevill ringing Jeremy. I'm not saying he did ring Jeremy, just that he could have done.

[Kaldin]

I'd have thought Jeremy would have been the very last person he'd have called for that purpose. Besides which, had she been hell bent on suicide, she'd hardly have given her father the chance to talk her out of it.

People do threaten to kill themselves, but they don't always do it. Think of people threatening to jump off a building - they don't always just do it straightaway.

Jeremy hadn't been involved in the discussion at supper time. Perhaps Nevill thought he could be of help if they needed to physically get the gun off her.

[Kaldin]

Bamber opened fire on June. Five shots in quick succession while she slept. Silencer on meaning minimal noise.

Nevill was next but woke & got out of bed seconds beforehand.

Bamber still managed two close range head shots before retreating backwards as Nevill advanced. Nevill was a big man.

Bamber's next two shots were from feet rather than inches away. Both hitting Nevill in the torso.

Wouldn't Nevill have attacked Jeremy rather than run past him? He would be concerned about June surely.

[Jane]

People do threaten to kill themselves, but they don't always do it. Think of people threatening to jump off a building - they don't always just do it straightaway.

Jeremy hadn't been involved in the discussion at supper time. Perhaps Nevill thought he could be of help if they needed to physically get the gun off her.

Exactly so. There are also those who kill to make it look like suicide.

Interesting. Are you accepting that Jeremy told the entire truth about "the discussion at supper time"? Jeremy had full control over relating what occurred because he was the only one to come out of it alive.

[Kaldin]

I'm now wondering if there's something in what Caroline said earlier. I've said that Nevill was shot in the bedroom, and that's because of the empty cartridges in there. However, perhaps he was shot on the landing with the shooter standing in the bedroom. It could be that he heard the shots which were aimed at June and came upstairs. Isn't that more likely than him rushing past Jeremy when he knew his wife had been shot next to him in bed?

[Kaldin]

Exactly so. There are also those who kill to make it look like suicide.

Interesting. Are you accepting that Jeremy told the entire truth about "the discussion at supper time"? Jeremy had full control over relating what occurred because he was the only one to come out of it alive.

I think that discussion probably did take place. That doesn't mean anything re Jeremy's guilt or innocence. I think that June was concerned about the future of the twins.

[Jane]

I think that discussion probably did take place. That doesn't mean anything re Jeremy's guilt or innocence. I think that June was concerned about the future of the twins.

Is it not also possible that there was some sort of altercation between Jeremy and Nevill regarding a trailer?

[Kaldin]

Is it not also possible that there was some sort of altercation between Jeremy and Nevill regarding a trailer?

I don't know anything about that Jane.

[lookout]

I thought the heated argument was about the fostering of the children, not the trailer which Nevill had told Jeremy that he'd do it and for Jeremy to get himself home ready for another day's harvesting next day. Then there was the other chap who took his trailer to the caravan park where he was staying at the time.

[Jane]

I thought the heated argument was about the fostering of the children, not the trailer which Nevill had told Jeremy that he'd do it and for Jeremy to get himself home ready for another day's harvesting next day. Then there was the other chap who took his trailer to the caravan park where he was staying at the time.

Jeremy has carte blanche to write a script any way he sees fit.  It's quite ridiculous to think Nevill would have told Jeremy to get off home with any equanimity when there was still work left to do. Poor Jeremy probably hadn't put in as many hours as had Nevill who was nearly three times his age.

[Adam]

Wouldn't Nevill have attacked Jeremy rather than run past him? He would be concerned about June surely.

He was being shot in the face and torso. He had no idea what type of gun it was or how many more bullets were left. He would not know who the attacker was.

So tried to escape to prevent being killed.

[Adam]

Sheila might have been angry with June because of the earlier discussion. Maybe Nevill didn't think June should be around guns. I don't know, but I don't really have a problem with the idea of Nevill ringing Jeremy. I'm not saying he did ring Jeremy, just that he could have done.

There were no fostering discussions at supper.