Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Caroline]

Oh, hang on though. The stairs turned so the killer could have shot Nevill in his front even if the killer was on  the landing.

Yes or he could have been shot first coming up the stairs and as he turned to flee.

[Kaldin]

Yes or he could have been shot first coming up the stairs and as he turned to flee.

Well there was a cartridge on the landing, so the gun was fired from there. However, there were a further 12 cartridges in the main bedroom, so Nevill was also shot either in the bedroom or just outside the door of the bedroom.

[ILB]

Why? His clothes were downstairs, he could have changed into them after the shower.

but if he was returning to WHF for a shower after taking the dogs out he wouldn't have had chance for one would he? Jeremy was laying in wait....

[Caroline]

Well there was a cartridge on the landing, so the gun was fired from there. However, there were a further 12 cartridges in the main bedroom, so Nevill was also shot either in the bedroom or just outside the door of the bedroom.

Yes, I agree, point being, I don't think he was in the bedroom when the shooting started. 

[Caroline]

but if he was returning to WHF for a shower after taking the dogs out he wouldn't have had chance for one would he? Jeremy was laying in wait....

Why not? The point is that I think he waited until Nevill was in the shower. The shower would mask the sound of the shots and any shouting but the main thing is that Nevill would be out of the way.

[Kaldin]

Why not? The point is that I think he waited until Nevill was in the shower. The shower would mask the sound of the shots and any shouting but the main thing is that Nevill would be out of the way.

So you think that Nevill was never in the bed that night?

There were a pair of socks on the floor on his side of the bed, but they might have been there from the night before. There was also an indent on his pillow, but again that could be there from the night before.

[David1819]

So you think that Nevill was never in the bed that night?

There were a pair of socks on the floor on his side of the bed, but they might have been there from the night before. There was also an indent on his pillow, but again that could be there from the night before.

He was found at the scene wearing his pyjamas.

[ILB]

Why not? The point is that I think he waited until Nevill was in the shower. The shower would mask the sound of the shots and any shouting but the main thing is that Nevill would be out of the way.

the fact is though nevill was in his bedwear. Did Jeremy allow him to change into his pyjamas before murdering him??? It's much more plausible and believable that nevill went to bed that night Caroline love. Unless Jeremy forced him at gunpoint to dress in his bedwear before killing him and tearing his pyjama top..

[Kaldin]

He was found at the scene wearing his pyjamas.

I think Caroline's idea is that he had a shower and changed into his PJs in the shower room before going upstairs.

[ILB]

I think Caroline's idea is that he had a shower and changed into his PJs in the shower room before going upstairs.

no if you look earlier back she had the idea he'd took crispy and Bruce for an evening stroll before coming back for a shower. Scroll up

[Kaldin]

It seems unlikely to me that Nevill would put his PJs in the downstairs shower room before going out with the dogs.

[lookout]

Poor Nevill hadn't got the time to put on his pyjamas properly. He couldn't have had his jacket on when burns were found down the back of his neck or on his arm as the jacket didn't show any sign of burn holes.
His pyjama bottoms were rolled down to his ankles when he was discovered by police. So Nevill had been in the process of putting on his night clothes when he was attacked-----which would have been enough to have sent him off-balance at only being half-dressed/undressed.

[Jane]

no if you look earlier back she had the idea he'd took crispy and Bruce for an evening stroll before coming back for a shower. Scroll up

In the days prior to en suite bathrooms, at the Bamber's social level, it's not out of the question that gentlemen would allow their wives the privacy of an upstairs bathroom whilst they used the downstairs shower room.

[Steve_uk]

Steve it's simple common sense logic. I've never disputed the police weren't looking for that silencer. But it should have been discovered. It was in a cupboard mate, not concealed by any stretch of the imagination

It was a big gun cupboard at the recess, probably in darkness. Remember the police had been presented with a fait accompli and were probably just going through the motions of searching a large, imposing Georgian building.

[Jane]

Poor Nevill hadn't got the time to put on his pyjamas properly. He couldn't have had his jacket on when burns were found down the back of his neck or on his arm as the jacket didn't show any sign of burn holes.
His pyjama bottoms were rolled down to his ankles when he was discovered by police. So Nevill had been in the process of putting on his night clothes when he was attacked-----which would have been enough to have sent him off-balance at only being half-dressed/undressed.

Are you saying he had time to put the jacket on after his neck had been burned?