Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[ILB]

It had to be made to appear that he had made a telephone call, so more likely in the kitchen. Jean Boutell the housekeeper said that it had been "musical phones" that last week, which suited Jeremy's purposes on the unsuspecting couple who became bereft of a telephone in the master bedroom. I think Nevill played into his son's hands by getting past him after the initial few rounds, with Jeremy shooting him from a distance from the stairs when Nevill was in the hallway, hence the bloodied wallpaper in that area.

but even though he made a phonecall in the kitchen it doesn't mean that it had to be staged he was killed their. If we go by the account of what Jeremy told west " then the phone hung up" what could dispute that the he could have been killed in any other area of the house

[lookout]

Vanezis said there was blood staining on the PJ jacket. The burns were on Nevill's back, but they are a mystery to me.

I don't remember either seeing or reading about blood on the jacket but I do remember there being a broken button and a clean tear in it which was shaped like a small flap rather than a vicious rip.
He didn't have the jacket on during the shooting. If there was blood on it it would have got there by contact after he'd died.

[ILB]

He may have left a window ajar before departing for Bourtree Cottage. He had to kill the twins first to prevent them from waking any of the adults. Sheer diablerie.

this was his childhood home Steve, he probably could have envisaged many nook and crannysm does not add an iota of evidence it happened. It's much more likely if we presume Bamber is guilty he thought viciously with his father after been surprised and discovered. If it did happen that is

[Kaldin]

I don't remember either seeing or reading about blood on the jacket but I do remember there being a broken button and a clean tear in it which was shaped like a small flap rather than a vicious rip.
He didn't have the jacket on during the shooting. If there was blood on it it would have got there by contact after he'd died.

It's in the report of Dr Vanezis.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,988.msg29919.html#msg29919

[Kaldin]

but even though he made a phonecall in the kitchen it doesn't mean that it had to be staged he was killed their. If we go by the account of what Jeremy told west " then the phone hung up" what could dispute that the he could have been killed in any other area of the house

Why shouldn't he be in the kitchen? He was upstairs at some point, and then he went downstairs. I suppose he could have gone into the sitting room or dining room, or anywhere. Perhaps he thought he could phone for help from the kitchen.

[Steve_uk]

but even though he made a phonecall in the kitchen it doesn't mean that it had to be staged he was killed their. If we go by the account of what Jeremy told west " then the phone hung up" what could dispute that the he could have been killed in any other area of the house

If we go off Julie's statement there was apparently a blue telephone in the office with a last number redial facility. I think his original plan was to use this telephone to call his cottage at Goldhanger, which would "prove" he had indeed received a telephone call in the middle of the night..

[Steve_uk]

this was his childhood home Steve, he probably could have envisaged many nook and crannysm does not add an iota of evidence it happened. It's much more likely if we presume Bamber is guilty he thought viciously with his father after been surprised and discovered. If it did happen that is

Well I agree with that scenario.

[ILB]

But how would he know he would have more influence on that particular area of the business in the near future?

where did the near future come from?? According to AE his exact words were " this will be ours one day" couldn't that be interpreted as much into the future. Either way doesn't prove murder

[Steve_uk]

Why shouldn't he be in the kitchen? He was upstairs at some point, and then he went downstairs. I suppose he could have gone into the sitting room or dining room, or anywhere. Perhaps he thought he could phone for help from the kitchen.

All this movement does seem to rule out Sheila somewhat..

[Kaldin]

All this movement does seem to rule out Sheila somewhat..

Not necessarily. Nevill could have gone to the kitchen twice - once to call Jeremy, then he went upstairs where he was shot, and then he could have gone back down to the kitchen.

[ILB]

Why shouldn't he be in the kitchen? He was upstairs at some point, and then he went downstairs. I suppose he could have gone into the sitting room or dining room, or anywhere. Perhaps he thought he could phone for help from the kitchen.

kaldin answer me these two questions please a) how many houses were there in Whf b) what locations were they C what phone did Jeremy want to interpret nevill called from

[ILB]

Because if he called from the kitchen. If jb was guilty he'd want the police to believe he had been murdered as soon as he terminated the phonecall to jb

[Steve_uk]

where did the near future come from?? According to AE his exact words were " this will be ours one day" couldn't that be interpreted as much into the future. Either way doesn't prove murder

No it was far more specific-something on the lines of we'll be running the caravan park together in two years, upon which Ann said June had no plans to retire.

[Kaldin]

kaldin answer me these two questions please a) how many houses were there in Whf b) what locations were they C what phone did Jeremy want to interpret nevill called from

Houses?

Re the phone, either Jeremy wanted everyone to think Nevill called him from the kitchen phone, or Nevill did indeed call Jeremy from the kitchen phone - before the shooting started.

[Kaldin]

Because if he called from the kitchen. If jb was guilty he'd want the police to believe he had been murdered as soon as he terminated the phonecall to jb

Probably, but that was scuppered because Nevill couldn't have spoken, and there would have been blood on the phone.