Giovani's Spy Ring Murder plot - a new lead...

[David1819]

Caroline - you will have to wait a little longer for the hunched man documentation ...

John Sweeney is in prison and never being released ...
Police are sure he killed more women than he has been convicted for ..
Dirrk van Hussel (remember him ?) and Sweeney are definitely connected ...

Dirrk van Hussel was potentially connected to Bamber ...

You are barking up the wrong tree.

There was no murderer in this case. Only a murderess, who killed herself not long after.

[sherlock]

So it's "make up anything, however bizarre" time. It's "all might haves are possible" time. It's "let's make every other unsolved crime in Essex proof of Jeremy's innocence" time. Far as I'm concerned, they made up for all the other incidences of poor detection when they convicted Jeremy.

Can you explain the 2 names on the log that Mike has asked about ?

It seems a reasonable question that he has raised ...

I am doing my best to answer it ...


As for making stuff about - please explain what you mean ?
or did you just type that before thinking it through ?

The log entry Mike has provided a copy of ...
Everything i have said about the person named in the log is factual and publicly available information ...
If you want a link to anything i have said relating to this then i will supply it for you straight away ...

[sherlock]

You are barking up the wrong tree.

There was no murderer in this case. Only a murderess, who killed herself not long after.

You might well be right David - but for all i know you might not be ...
If it was Sheila then someone must have planted the silencer - right ?
Or am i wrong on that point ?

[lookout]

Funnily enough Scott Errico frequented Chelsea while he was in England ..
What was the bottling incident about ? i haven't heard of it before ...
Didn't Mike once mention a mysterious American women fleeing a Chelsea hotel ?

Another coincidence - Jeremy was first questioned by Police just a few days after Scott started telling Police everything he knew about every one he knew - (and that was a huge amount) ...

The entry on the Bamber log was a few days after Scott started telling Police everything he knew about every one he knew ...

the log refers to the word "info" ...
he told Police at that time about multiple murders he had been involved in ...

Why was his two aliases on the Bamber log ?
What's the connection ?

The American woman was murdered by Sweeney.

[Jane]

I can shed a little more light on this now ...

There was an officer Mike Beaveridge working at Essex Police Press Office for sure in 1986.
There was a sergeant Mike Beaveridge contributing to Essex Police newspaper in 1984.
It is a fair assumption then that "DS M Beaveridge" was working for Essex Police press office in 1985.

Other people working in the press office around that time include :

Constable W Kennedy
Chief Inspector Allan Tapling
probably Carol Rivers

Any of these may know something having worked in the pres office at the rime.
They next question is where are they now and what do they know ?
Any clues anyone ?

It is possible this could partly explain why some documents are still PII.
The Brinks Mat investigation was huge and obviously involved all security services.
It is almost certain Scott had a chat with the security services whilst in English custody.
What he told them could have been very sensitive indeed.

What is the connection to the Bamber case ?

It seems to me, that by dragging up all these names, you're encouraging vigilantism. That's how Hitler managed to get a stronghold on Germany. We already have Julie nee Mugford being harassed by these evil crows -out in Canada- AND we're PROUDLY told by members of this forum that, as a result, her marriage is on the rocks. Isn't that what vigilantes do? They GLOAT over their work. They don't CARE if their victim is innocent. They just want someone on whom to direct their vitriol. Julie was never on trial. Julie haters can't have it both ways. They can't say Julie deliberately lied and then say she said what corrupt police tole her to say. However, it seems they're so keen to blame her, they'll lay it on her any way they can. It seems to me you're so keen to encourage such behaviour that you're even throwing 'probables' into the mix.

[sherlock]

What was John Sweeney ( the butcher ) doing with pics of Sheila ? Were they newspaper cuttings or proper photo's ?

The facts are that he had a collection of paintings of his victims when he ewas caught - he had painted most of them himself ...

The Police appealed to the public to find out who some of the paintings were of ...

A poster on this forum put one painting on the forum and said it looked like Sheila ..
It was marked London 1985
It could possibly have been Sheila from the look of the painting ...

The Police now state they have traced the woman in that painting and it is not Sheila ...
But Sweeney is linked to Dirrk van Hussel by other unrelated evidence ...
And Police in 1985/86 wanted to trace Dirrk van Hussel to ask him about the Bamber murders ...

Essex Police still have not spoke with Dirrk despite being provided his address in Belgium ...

[nugnug]

Giovani's is hardly a reliable source is he mean he dident even tell truth about his own qaulfications.

was he not allso convicted of defrauding his clients.

[sherlock]

The American woman was murdered by Sweeney.

An American woman was murdered by Sweeney ...
This is a different American woman to the one i believe Mike once mentioned ...
Perhaps Mike can refresh our memories about the one who dissapeared from a hotel around the time of the murders and tell us what he knows about her ...

[sherlock]

Giovani's is hardly a reliable source is he mean he dident even tell truth about his own qaulfications.

was he not allso convicted of defrauding his clients.

I assume you are referring to the hunched man ?

I will be posting independant documentation about this soon ..
Giovani has zero credibility ...
It does not however mean that everything he mentioned is a complete lie ...
In fact the hunched man story was put out by Essex Police in a bid to trace him ...
Giovani merely repeated this fact that had been overlooked by many ...

[lookout]

Funnily enough Scott Errico frequented Chelsea while he was in England ..
What was the bottling incident about ? i haven't heard of it before ...
Didn't Mike once mention a mysterious American women fleeing a Chelsea hotel ?

Another coincidence - Jeremy was first questioned by Police just a few days after Scott started telling Police everything he knew about every one he knew - (and that was a huge amount) ...

The entry on the Bamber log was a few days after Scott started telling Police everything he knew about every one he knew ...

the log refers to the word "info" ...
he told Police at that time about multiple murders he had been involved in ...

Why was his two aliases on the Bamber log ?
What's the connection ?

Not really sure whether it was a broken bottle/glass or a " home-made " weapon but someone who'd been described as a mad psychopath came at the back of JB while he was on the phone. JB had to have several stitches after the attack,which had been very near to the jugular.

[sherlock]

It seems to me, that by dragging up all these names, you're encouraging vigilantism. That's how Hitler managed to get a stronghold on Germany. We already have Julie nee Mugford being harassed by these evil crows -out in Canada- AND we're PROUDLY told by members of this forum that, as a result, her marriage is on the rocks. Isn't that what vigilantes do? They GLOAT over their work. They don't CARE if their victim is innocent. They just want someone on whom to direct their vitriol. Julie was never on trial. Julie haters can't have it both ways. They can't say Julie deliberately lied and then say she said what corrupt police tole her to say. However, it seems they're so keen to blame her, they'll lay it on her any way they can. It seems to me you're so keen to encourage such behaviour that you're even throwing 'probables' into the mix.

Anthony Pargeter committed perjury in a murder trial - or haven't you compared his statements ?
So did Julie Mugford or alternatively she protected and had sex with a child killer for weeks ...
Scott Ericco, Dirrk van Hussel  and John Sweeney make these 2 look like Mother Theresa ...

Which undeserving innocent person am i acting like Hitler towards ?

[sherlock]

Not really sure whether it was a broken bottle/glass or a " home-made " weapon but someone who'd been described as a mad psychopath came at the back of JB while he was on the phone. JB had to have several stitches after the attack,which had been very near to the jugular.

OK - you mean the attack in prison ...
I don't think it was Sweeney - i don't think they have been in the same prison at the same time as of yet ...

[lookout]

OK - you mean the attack in prison ...
I don't think it was Sweeney - i don't think they have been in the same prison at the same time as of yet ...

Oh,okay.I just wondered.

One thing that JB did was write to EP naming several people who he thought should have been investigated.EP acknowledged his letter,but didn't hear anything more,other than they were likely to pursue the matter.

[Jane]

Anthony Pargeter committed perjury in a murder trial - or haven't you compared his statements ?
So did Julie Mugford or alternatively she protected and had sex with a child killer for weeks ...
Scott Ericco, Dirrk van Hussel  and John Sweeney make these 2 look like Mother Theresa ...

Which undeserving innocent person am i acting like Hitler towards ?

According to what you say/the spin you put on it. Who created you judge, jury and executioner?

[Adam]

Anthony Pargeter committed perjury in a murder trial - or haven't you compared his statements ?
So did Julie Mugford or alternatively she protected and had sex with a child killer for weeks ...
Scott Ericco, Dirrk van Hussel  and John Sweeney make these 2 look like Mother Theresa ...

Which undeserving innocent person am i acting like Hitler towards ?

I thought it was RB who committed perjury.

I've never understood this. Anyone could work out & it was known by everyone that if Bamber was convicted, the relatives would benefit financially. So why did RB/AP apparently say in court he wouldn't ?