How many people think Sheila was the shooter

[buddy]

If a relative of yours periodically said they wanted to kill someone but hadn't actually done it despite saying it several times would you take that as a sign they would at some point do it and that you had better tell the authorities?

If a kid says they hate school and want to blow up you say yeah sure...If you catch them making bombs then you know there is a problem.

He told her things that she thought was just talk.  She didn't witness him taking some sort of preparations like making bombs that would establish he was carrying it out for real.

In high school I cooked improvised c4 (Ammonium nitrate, nitromethane and powdered aluminum) and set it off in aspirin bottles. It was just for fun we didn't actually do anything destructive with it.  I didn't tell my friends I was going to blow anyone or anything up with it beyond see how big a hole it would make in the dirt.  If I told them I wanted to use it on someone or something then they would have had cause to rat me out. Then again they joked about blowing something else up but I didn't let anyone else touch the bottles so I have no idea if they were serious or not- I assumed they were just joking.  I didn't want to be responsible for one of them blowing their ass off like something out of a jackass movie.  This was pre-911 when we could get away with such things. They worked pretty good Bill Murray could have used the in Caddyshack.  The powdered aluminum was supposed to add enough velocity to bend steel but we had no steel to try it on so I don't know what it would do to a structure.  Most people who say they are going to kill someone don't.  That makes it hard to predict if someone is serious unless you see them grabbing a weapon and leaving with it.

Even after the murders she still didn't think he was capable and that was why she bought his claim he hired a hitman. Because of her love for him she still might not have ratted him out if she found out he paid a hitman and thus knew the murder was coming later that evening.  It takes a brave/selfless person to actually intervene, particularly if they have no great love for the potential victims.  While there are people like that they are in the minority. A minority will stick out their neck by risking their body or relationships for the sake of others. Most people in such situations are like a deer in the headlights. A minority will take action and that is why the minority who do such are called heroes. It is heroic precisely because it is they are doing something the majority is not willing to do.

Your posts are so long winded it is difficult to concentrate on them.
What about crimes in your country?
Oswald was stitched up in the JFK assassination, with no actual factual evidence.
Jeremy was stitched with no factual evidence,only from people from people who stood to gain.

[scipio_usmc]

Your posts are so long winded it is difficult to concentrate on them.
What about crimes in your country?
Oswald was stitched up in the JFK assassination, with no actual factual evidence.
Jeremy was stitched with no factual evidence,only from people from people who stood to gain.

There was a ton of factual evidence against Jeremy.  You simply choose to ignore it and not believe it the same way looney JFK conspiracy theorists simply dismiss evidence.  Dismissing evidence doesn't make it go away.  You have to refute evidence to overcome it.  Saying no evidence exists because you choose to ignore it or discount it ends up amounting to one lying.  If you choose to discount evidence without being able to refute it then admit such don't lie and say there is no evidence.

Julie's testimony against Jeremy is evidence.

Evidence that the killing started in the bedroom where there was no phone and thus that Jeremy made up the distress call is evidence.

Evidence that Jeremy staged bullets in the kitchen to support his made up tale of leaving the gun and ammo out is evidence.

Evidence that Jeremy lied to police saying Sheila fired all weapons in the house and was trained to fire the murder weapon is evidence.

Evidence Jeremy lied about calling police first when in fact he called Julie first is evidence.

The failure of Jeremy to call 999 but instead to call Julie and eventually to look up station numbers is evidence that contradicts his claim of being worried after receiving a distress call.

A lack of evidence on Sheila's body and clothing that would have been present if in fact she had killed the victims and committed suicide is evidence.

Evidence proving it is impossible for Sheila to have killed herself but rather was murdered is evidence.

I can list more but this is sufficient to make my point.

[Steve_uk]

Bollocks.  Only some nutter like Jeremy Bamber would murder two innocent babes as they slept.  No wonder his real parents want nothing to do with him!

The above post got me thinking about a comment made by Carol Ann Lee in the Yorkshire Post:

Jeremy told her that he had never felt any wish to trace his birth parents, as Sheila had done with her own mother. Yet his cousins insist he had indeed made such an attempt, only to be rebuffed. A second rejection, Carol concludes, that must have hurt him deeply.

I wonder if the birth parents have a guilty conscience,or Jeremy just gave up altogether caring about his provenance after they didn't want anything to do with him,or maybe this story is also false? http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/bamber-murders-the-definitive-account-1-7368685

[Jane]

The above post got me thinking about a comment made by Carol Ann Lee in the Yorkshire Post:

Jeremy told her that he had never felt any wish to trace his birth parents, as Sheila had done with her own mother. Yet his cousins insist he had indeed made such an attempt, only to be rebuffed. A second rejection, Carol concludes, that must have hurt him deeply.

I wonder if the birth parents have a guilty conscience,or Jeremy just gave up altogether caring about his provenance after they didn't want anything to do with him,or maybe this story is also false? http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/bamber-murders-the-definitive-account-1-7368685

How about, as well as hurt, humiliated, angry, rejected, worthless, lost all of which would be compounded if the adoptive parents hadn't been able to express their affection.

[Steve_uk]

How about, as well as hurt, humiliated, angry, rejected, worthless, lost all of which would be compounded if the adoptive parents hadn't been able to express their affection.

Yes with June fearing the intervention of the adoption agency when the children were small and cognizant herself of her medical history,then perhaps overcompensating for the lack of discipline as Sheila and Jeremy reached adults at a time when parents are often seen as more of an irrelevance as older teenagers wish to lead their own lives. June was only too well aware of the inconsistency and her shortcomings as the heartfelt letter to her children to be opened after her death did attest,yet it was too little too late as Jeremy screwed it up with contempt in the glove compartment of his car,telling Julie  "I'm glad she's dead" and Sheila never getting to read it at all.

[maggie]

How about, as well as hurt, humiliated, angry, rejected, worthless, lost all of which would be compounded if the adoptive parents hadn't been able to express their affection.

Terrible trauma for him, whatever happened that is a tragedy.  Seems he buried it as well which means it could have come out as anger.

[Jane]

Terrible trauma for him, whatever happened that is a tragedy.  Seems he buried it as well which means it could have come out as anger.

Without somewhere safe to off load it, it could have sat there fermenting until one more perceived insult caused it to blow.

[Steve_uk]

Without somewhere safe to off load it, it could have sat there fermenting until one more perceived insult caused it to blow.

I don't know how many serial killers plan their crimes as to those who snap on the spur of the moment. Jeremy's feelings had evidently been festering for years with spasmodic outbursts to various people who did nothing to rein them in.

[Jane]

I don't know how many serial killers plan their crimes as to those who snap on the spur of the moment. Jeremy's feelings had evidently been festering for years with spasmodic outbursts to various people who did nothing to rein them in.

It's not IMpossible that he vented all those negative feelings in one act.

[Steve_uk]

It's not IMpossible that he vented all those negative feelings in one act.

Yes but not spur of the moment killings if Julie's story is to be believed.

[John]

The above post got me thinking about a comment made by Carol Ann Lee in the Yorkshire Post:

Jeremy told her that he had never felt any wish to trace his birth parents, as Sheila had done with her own mother. Yet his cousins insist he had indeed made such an attempt, only to be rebuffed. A second rejection, Carol concludes, that must have hurt him deeply.

I wonder if the birth parents have a guilty conscience,or Jeremy just gave up altogether caring about his provenance after they didn't want anything to do with him,or maybe this story is also false? http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/features/bamber-murders-the-definitive-account-1-7368685

That is a very valid point Steve.  It would be interesting to know just how close this rebuffal came to the date of the murders. Such rejection could very well have had a very negative psyschological effect on his ability to make rational decisions where his adoptive family were concerned.  I wonder which parents he hated most, natural or adoptive?

[Steve_uk]

That is a very valid point Steve.  It would be interesting to know just how close this rebuffal came to the date of the murders. Such rejection could very well have had a very negative psyschological effect on his ability to make rational decisions where his adoptive family were concerned.  I wonder which parents he hated most, natural or adoptive?

I don't think he could ever really talk through his feelings. Ironically unless I'm mistaken Julie provided the hardest shoulder to cry on.

[Jane]

I don't think he could ever really talk through his feelings. Ironically unless I'm mistaken Julie provided the hardest shoulder to cry on.

Steve, that's hugely surprising coming from you. You were previously reluctant to hear a word against her.

[David1819]

How about, as well as hurt, humiliated, angry, rejected, worthless, lost all of which would be compounded if the adoptive parents hadn't been able to express their affection.

Come on, if you believe Jeremy is guilty how would the above be applicable to him?

A guilty Jeremy would not care about the circumstances of his birth parents, the only reason he would contact them is because he believes they could benefit his campaign financially or by other means

[lookout]

Psychopaths don't feel hurt,humiliation,anger,rejection or worthlessness. They have nil feeling ?