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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #225 on: September 23, 2015, 01:26:PM »
I'm now quoting from a post of 2011. ( Spot the mistakes )

" Quote: The re-submitted swab did have a different identifying mark,but only partially. There were 3 copies of the same submittal form for the lab. DS Davidson testified that it was a mistake on his part to write down 2 identical numbers ( DHL/33 ) and then somehow write down the incorrect number ( DHL/44 ) on the 3rd form.
He also wrote down the wrong time that the swabs had been taken ( 11am rather than 3.15pm ) another mistake on the same form.

DS Lovell.the police liason officer at the lab.,whose job it is to check the submitted paperwork with samples, also stated he made a mistake when he didn't notice that there were two different indentifying marks on the paperwork.

That's already 4 mistakes ( DS Davidson 2, DS Lovell 1 and whoever packaged swab with guns,1 ) on a solitary and pretty crucial evidence in a quintuple shooting. Unquote ".


Particles of lead,barium and antimony fused together are unlikely to remain on a shooter for long.

A huge mistake that stands out is the exhibit prefix was DRH not DHL.  It is quite amusing that people who make so many errors themselves are complaining about the police making minor clerical errors.  In the meantime such clerical errors don't matter at all. The person filling out the forms messe dup one of 3 by writing 44 instead of 33 and the person who received the forms didn't proofread all 3 carefully enough to notice.  That's completely meaningless.

11AM is when they placed the bags over her hands.  The bags over her hands wer einclude din the swab kit.

The swabs were not packaged with guns.  They were in their own container.  It was not a mistake to bring multiple items to the lab at the same time.  The lab worker who refused to take the swabs rejected them in error.

As for the claim GSR would dissipate fast that is not the case.  It is easy to transfer the GSR if one is very active after the shooting events occurred.  Sheila was not active she was dead.  She didn't kill herself then walk around the house touching things transferring GSR to them. GSR does not dissipate fast from clothing or hair.  Moreover soot stains doesn't dissipate on their own.  Elevated lead levels/lead stains on the hand from loading bullets don't just rapidly dissipate on their own either.  Sheila's hands were covered with bags to prevent any loss of evidence while her body was moved. They examined the inside of the bags to make sure nothing transferred from her hands to the inside of the bags. No GSR was found.  No soot was found, nor was any found on her hands or clothes.  That is because she neither loaded nor fired the weapon.  Jeremy shot everyone including her. 

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #226 on: September 23, 2015, 08:04:PM »
In view of JM's " knowledge " that the tragedy was going to happen,would you not have thought she'd have been as eager to have gone to the police as she was when she volunteered to view the bodies ??

How can ANYONE view bodies of people who they knew they COULD/SHOULD have saved ??

How COULD you live with yourself ?? Can you imagine having that weighing on your conscience for the rest of your life ?? I'd have either topped myself or vanished off the face of the earth somewhere.

But NO. She posed like a tart in memory of those who'd died and collected £25,000+ !!

Makes you wonder if you're better thought of by being heartless and ruthless !!


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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #227 on: September 23, 2015, 08:21:PM »
In view of JM's " knowledge " that the tragedy was going to happen,would you not have thought she'd have been as eager to have gone to the police as she was when she volunteered to view the bodies ??

How can ANYONE view bodies of people who they knew they COULD/SHOULD have saved ??

How COULD you live with yourself ?? Can you imagine having that weighing on your conscience for the rest of your life ?? I'd have either topped myself or vanished off the face of the earth somewhere.

But NO. She posed like a tart in memory of those who'd died and collected £25,000+ !!

Makes you wonder if you're better thought of by being heartless and ruthless !!







Obviously nobody agrees that there was any wrong-doing. :o

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #228 on: September 23, 2015, 08:25:PM »






Obviously nobody agrees that there was any wrong-doing. :o

You know what is generally thought here of Julie's performance. It's been said countless times.

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #229 on: September 23, 2015, 08:29:PM »
You know what is generally thought here of Julie's performance. It's been said countless times.






But what is wrong with a person who goes willingly,volunteers in fact,to see the bodies of those she could easily have saved ?  How can anyone live with themselves ?
I'd like to ask her that question and can't understand why nobody else has.?

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #230 on: September 23, 2015, 08:38:PM »





But what is wrong with a person who goes willingly,volunteers in fact,to see the bodies of those she could easily have saved ?  How can anyone live with themselves ?
I'd like to ask her that question and can't understand why nobody else has.?

Why would you like to ask her that? You don't believe Bamber to be guilty, so if he isn't guilty then he didn't tell Julie of his plans.  ;D

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #231 on: September 23, 2015, 08:41:PM »
Why would you like to ask her that? You don't believe Bamber to be guilty, so if he isn't guilty then he didn't tell Julie of his plans.  ;D






I would still like to ask her to see what sort of an answer I got,if at all.

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« Reply #232 on: September 23, 2015, 08:42:PM »





I would still like to ask her to see what sort of an answer I got,if at all.

You're a Bamber supporter, I think if she heard from you -  the response would be pretty sharp.

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #233 on: September 23, 2015, 08:46:PM »
You're a Bamber supporter, I think if she heard from you -  the response would be pretty sharp.






I wouldn't expect anything else. I wouldn't exactly be sitting back taking it either.

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #234 on: September 23, 2015, 08:57:PM »





But what is wrong with a person who goes willingly,volunteers in fact,to see the bodies of those she could easily have saved ?  How can anyone live with themselves ?
I'd like to ask her that question and can't understand why nobody else has.?

How do you think she could have gone about saving them, Lookout, given that even Jeremy allegedly told her there was nothing she could have done to prevent it.

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #235 on: September 23, 2015, 09:07:PM »
How do you think she could have gone about saving them, Lookout, given that even Jeremy allegedly told her there was nothing she could have done to prevent it.






Reported his alleged plan to the police months before. She marched into the mortuary so why didn't she march into the nearest police station ? Or was she WAITING for it to happen ?? Now I'm being mercenary because I can't understand the woman or anyone for that matter who doesn't report their suspicions especially knowing that  the end result was worth nearly half a million. Reason enough to have reported it ? I would say so.

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #236 on: September 23, 2015, 09:20:PM »





Reported his alleged plan to the police months before. She marched into the mortuary so why didn't she march into the nearest police station ? Or was she WAITING for it to happen ?? Now I'm being mercenary because I can't understand the woman or anyone for that matter who doesn't report their suspicions especially knowing that  the end result was worth nearly half a million. Reason enough to have reported it ? I would say so.

OK, Lookout, let's suppose she HAD gone to the police and leave aside that their hands were tied until or unless a crime was committed. SUPPOSING they'd had a word with Jeremy? Suave, educated, charming, urbane, confident, superior Jeremy. The one who brazenly told prosecuting counsel, "That is for you to prove, isn't it." He'd have shown surprise, undoubtedly and followed it by telling them his soon to be ex girlfriend was as "nutty" as his sister. He'd have made Julie into a liar and a fool AND they'd have believed him because he just didn't look like a potential murderer. You can see the problems facing social workers, can't you.

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #237 on: September 23, 2015, 09:41:PM »
OK, Lookout, let's suppose she HAD gone to the police and leave aside that their hands were tied until or unless a crime was committed. SUPPOSING they'd had a word with Jeremy? Suave, educated, charming, urbane, confident, superior Jeremy. The one who brazenly told prosecuting counsel, "That is for you to prove, isn't it." He'd have shown surprise, undoubtedly and followed it by telling them his soon to be ex girlfriend was as "nutty" as his sister. He'd have made Julie into a liar and a fool AND they'd have believed him because he just didn't look like a potential murderer. You can see the problems facing social workers, can't you.





Nope,the police wouldn't have believed him. Like they obviously didn't when he was imprisoned. 

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #238 on: September 23, 2015, 09:58:PM »




Nope,the police wouldn't have believed him. Like they obviously didn't when he was imprisoned.

I think we both know they would have believed him. At that point no crime had been committed. Those he was planning to kill were still going about their daily lives, his parents in D'Arcy, his sister and her children in London. NOTHING to suggest a crime was going to be committed and he was clever enough to tell Julie that if she said anything and he was discovered she'd be in as much trouble as he....................................................so what COULD she have done, Lookout?

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Re: How many people think Sheila was the shooter
« Reply #239 on: September 23, 2015, 10:10:PM »
Reported his alleged plan to the police months before. She marched into the mortuary so why didn't she march into the nearest police station ? Or was she WAITING for it to happen ?? Now I'm being mercenary because I can't understand the woman or anyone for that matter who doesn't report their suspicions especially knowing that  the end result was worth nearly half a million. Reason enough to have reported it ? I would say so.

She didn't tell anyone because she didn't think he was being serious. She thought he was just blowing off steam like many people do when they say they want to kill someone. 
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