Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[JackiePreece]

No,it isn't the children's faults as they didn't ask to be born. Art galleries and the RAH aren't exactly places of interest for 6 year olds and I would have said that it was where their father's interest lay more so. However,I suppose it was better than nothing. As for Sheila,she was in no fit state to entertain the boys any more than she did. What a sad state of affairs it all was.

Of course they're not Lookout.  As much as I like Steve he's a complete cultural snob.  Bet he doesn't watch TOWIE 

I do learn lots from him though as I usually have to Google a word or two in a post 

[lookout]

Of course they're not Lookout.  As much as I like Steve he's a complete cultural snob.  Bet he doesn't watch TOWIE 

I do learn lots from him though as I usually have to Google a word or two in a post 

Steve's alright Jackie. He's a likeable soul really.

TOWIE should be back later on. I'm miffed about the split with Arg and Lydia though. I put up with watching Cheshire Housewives,so catty it's unbelievable. I like Ampika in that because she doesn't care.

[lookout]

New VLOG tomorrow. There's a lovely pic of Trudi on Bambertweets too.

[Harry]

Like I have just posted on the 'Why Jeremy is Innocent' thread - he bottled things up and harboured resentment about both his adoption and being ushered off to boarding school. Sheila let out her anger. Everyone has a temper, it's strange that he seems to have been so controlled, although not so much when he pushed a cake in someone's face. He didn't like being the brunt of a joke - but liked to tease others.

Sheila had never seen the gun before and it's too much of a coincidence that Jeremy left out the gun, just on the night that 'Sheila went crazy'.

No, Jeremy told someone else (I will have to look up his name) about his plan to burn down the farm.

You are talking about Charles Marsden. Jeremy did not tell Marsden that he had a plan to burn down the farm.  There is a thread on Marsden started by Naughty Nun.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159278.html#msg159278

It's very strange that you seem to have forgotten Marsden's name and what he really said, since you were highly critical of Steve_uk for reading too much into what Marsden said.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159549.html#msg159549
"There is not so much difference in hindsight between Jeremy speculating that the Farm might burn down and DS Stan Jones saying words to the effect that "if you burned down the Farm."

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159566.html#msg159566
"There is a MASSIVE difference!! Is this where Julie got the idea about the fire too? He was the boyfriend of 'julie's' friend so I would bet that both Mugford and Marsden (sounds like a double act - quite apt!  ) are quoting the SAME incident and NOT that JB said the comment on separate occasions it was simply embroidered!! Marsden was obviously was not a good witness because he was never used!!"


I know David1898 thinks that Julie Mugford was coerced into giving false evidence. I know, I don't believe Julie made up the story about burning the house down. It's far more likely that it was one of those yarns which dodgy Stan Jones told her to say during those thirty-one interviews. He seems to have got the idea from Marsden. Just added a little to it.

[Caroline]

You are talking about Charles Marsden. Jeremy did not tell Marsden that he had a plan to burn down the farm.  There is a thread on Marsden started by Naughty Nun.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159278.html#msg159278

It's very strange that you seem to have forgotten Marsden's name and what he really said, since you were highly critical of Steve_uk for reading too much into what Marsden said.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159549.html#msg159549
"There is not so much difference in hindsight between Jeremy speculating that the Farm might burn down and DS Stan Jones saying words to the effect that "if you burned down the Farm."

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159566.html#msg159566
"There is a MASSIVE difference!! Is this where Julie got the idea about the fire too? He was the boyfriend of 'julie's' friend so I would bet that both Mugford and Marsden (sounds like a double act - quite apt!  ) are quoting the SAME incident and NOT that JB said the comment on separate occasions it was simply embroidered!! Marsden was obviously was not a good witness because he was never used!!"


I know David1898 thinks that Julie Mugford was coerced into giving false evidence. I know, I don't believe Julie made up the story about burning the house down. It's far more likely that it was one of those yarns which dodgy Stan Jones told her to say during those thirty-one interviews. He seems to have got the idea from Marsden. Just added a little to it.

Another one prepared to believe EVERYONE except Jeremy lied. 

[lookout]

You are talking about Charles Marsden. Jeremy did not tell Marsden that he had a plan to burn down the farm.  There is a thread on Marsden started by Naughty Nun.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159278.html#msg159278

It's very strange that you seem to have forgotten Marsden's name and what he really said, since you were highly critical of Steve_uk for reading too much into what Marsden said.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159549.html#msg159549
"There is not so much difference in hindsight between Jeremy speculating that the Farm might burn down and DS Stan Jones saying words to the effect that "if you burned down the Farm."

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3878.msg159566.html#msg159566
"There is a MASSIVE difference!! Is this where Julie got the idea about the fire too? He was the boyfriend of 'julie's' friend so I would bet that both Mugford and Marsden (sounds like a double act - quite apt!  ) are quoting the SAME incident and NOT that JB said the comment on separate occasions it was simply embroidered!! Marsden was obviously was not a good witness because he was never used!!"


I know David1898 thinks that Julie Mugford was coerced into giving false evidence. I know, I don't believe Julie made up the story about burning the house down. It's far more likely that it was one of those yarns which dodgy Stan Jones told her to say during those thirty-one interviews. He seems to have got the idea from Marsden. Just added a little to it.

You're certainly well informed about the case,well done and a good post.

[Caroline]

You're certainly well informed about the case,well done and a good post.

So you don't think it at all suspicious that Jeremy mentioned the farm burning down to Charles Marsden when this was his first plan to get rid of the family? It's just yet another conspiracy is it? More people lyingly. The size of this conspiracy grows bigger everyday. 

[jon]

So you don't think it at all suspicious that Jeremy mentioned the farm burning down to Charles Marsden when this was his first plan to get rid of the family? It's just yet another conspiracy is it? More people lyingly. The size of this conspiracy grows bigger everyday. 

How many people have lied , in your version of events , of JB being guilty ?

AE , RB , SJ , RC , all lied according to you over the silencer , didnt they ?

You also claim JM is a liar , at times .

Was the bank manager lying , when he claimed JM arrived at the bank with a police officer ?

[Adam]

As David said, Julie either secretly read AE' s and RB's diaries. Or secretly plotted with them the downfall of Bamber.

Doing either is impressive as Julie was with Bamber being whisked around England and Holland during this one month period.

Julie must have also done the same with Charles Marsden. As Bamber would never have considered burning down WHF, would he ?

[Caroline]

How many people have lied , in your version of events , of JB being guilty ?

AE , RB , SJ , RC , all lied according to you over the silencer , didnt they ?

You also claim JM is a liar , at times .

Was the bank manager lying , when he claimed JM arrived at the bank with a police officer ?

Certainly Jeremy has lied but for such a conspiracy to have take place, how many people do you think would have had to lie? Common sense should tell you that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for so many to have lied and kept quiet all these years. According to some, plans were already underway to frame Bamber before they even discovered the bodies - the so called 'call from Nevill to police' kept from Jeremy for what reason? Ludicrous!

[John]

Certainly Jeremy has lied but for such a conspiracy to have take place, how many people do you think would have had to lie? Common sense should tell you that it would be IMPOSSIBLE for so many to have lied and kept quiet all these years. According to some, plans were already underway to frame Bamber before they even discovered the bodies - the so called 'call from Nevill to police' kept from Jeremy for what reason? Ludicrous!

Yes totally ludicrous!   According to Bamber supporters everybody lied except Bamber and everybody was in this huge conspiracy against him.

I've never heard so much deluded and fictitious crap ever!

[lookout]

Neville did phone the police ( 999 ) because I've since learned that he was desperate and just managed to tell EP that Sheila was shooting at the family.

So why the lies ESSEX POLICE ? Come on,let's hear that tape,because it's in your possession !!
 

[Caroline]

Neville did phone the police ( 999 ) because I've since learned that he was desperate and just managed to tell EP that Sheila was shooting at the family.

So why the lies ESSEX POLICE ? Come on,let's hear that tape,because it's in your possession !!

No he didn't.

[lookout]

No he didn't.

We'll see shall we ??

[Caroline]

We'll see shall we ??

yes, you will.